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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:15AM
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Obzedat, Ghost Council  I have Sheoldred, the Whispering one  down and my opponent has Obzedat, Ghost Council removed from play, at the beginning of his upkeep I argue that he'd have to sacrifice it because both abilities would trigger at the same time, therefore his creature is in play. Also pertaining to Aurelia's Fury  - this actually refers to all the cards like Silence and stuff like that, if someone were to play a non-creature spell, say a counter-spell, could you then lay Aurelia's Fury to counter their spell? A similar situation came up in a casual game with 6 of my friends the other day where someone cast a spell similar to Silence to declare that they couldn't play the spell they just attempted to play. Thanks in advance 
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:17AM
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you are wrong Obzedat, Ghost Council 's trigger gets put on the stack first (because he is the active player), then Sheoldred, Whispering One  's trigger gets put on the stack (because you are the non-active player) the stack resolves in reverse order, so at the time he has to sacrifice the Ghost Council is still exiled Aurelia's Fury or Silence  will not "uncast" spells, it will only prevent further spells from being cast and it will only prevent spells from being cast when it resolves, so players can respond Silence with instants or cards with Flash
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:19AM
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I mis-read that at first, I understand what you are saying. Thanks for your help, I wasn't sure about the ghost council thing but I was fairly sure that you couldn't "Silence" to counter a spell.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:19AM
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1. When multiple triggered abilities trigger at the same time they go on the stack in Active Player/Non-Active Player order (APNAP) so his ability goes on the stack then yours. Yours will resolve before Obzedat has returned, and he will not be able to sac it.
2. No, Aurelia's Fury is not a counter spell. It can not stop spells that have already been cast. (just like Silence)
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:22AM
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Can someone counter Aurelia's Fury?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:23AM
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Can someone counter Aurelia's Fury?
Yes. It's ability won't do anything until it resolves. While it is on the stack your opponents are free to cast spells.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:23AM
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yes, as I said you can respond to Aurelia's Fury with Instants, such as Cancel  spells don't do anything until they resolve
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:25AM
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Makes that spell a lot more under-powered than it would appear, I'd probably prefer a Thundermaw Hellkite or something but thanks guys for your help my understanding of how the whole Active Player -Non active player thing is now more clear
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:43AM
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spells don't do anything until they resolve
As usual, there are exceptions  to this general rule...
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2013 - 8:44AM
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I was expecting a split second  nitpick  Storm works as well :p
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