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3 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 11:32PM
#11
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Date Joined:
Sep 10, 2006
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Judge told him to stop and watched him shuffle the deck and he did it again.
Do you know what sleight of hand is? I don't know what he's doing and don't want him to be doing that.
If somebody is doing something that makes you uncomfortable then they should stop. But I'm not going to be polite to him because he's been asked many times to not do it.
Good in EDH
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3 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 11:37PM
#12
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Date Joined:
Jan 24, 2011
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Here's the thing. You always shuffle your own library first. By the time your opponent gets the deck, it should already be random, so nothing he does to it will change the fact that it's random unless he looks at the card faces, which is its own violation. Shuffle your library thoroughly, then make sure he doesn't see the card faces when it's in his hands.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 11:53PM
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Assuming your opponent isn't engaging in sleight-of-hand (which would be nigh-impossible to perform with a deck that's not his with unknown contents presented in an unknown order), there is absolutely nothing wrong with that method of shuffling. Cutting out seven random cards from a randomized deck and putting them on top doesn't make it any less random. However, if it makes you uncomfortable you can ask him to stop, get a judge to do so, or ask a judge to shuffle for him instead. Though personally I'd just recommend ignoring it--it's very likely the entire reason he does it in the first place is to put his opponents on tilt, and from the sounds of it he's succeeding in spades with you. The more you let it get under your skin the more you're encouraging him to continue. That said... Judge told him to stop and watched him shuffle the deck and he did it again.
That right there? That's failing to follow a direct instruction from a tournament official. At a Competitive-level event it would be classified as Unsporting Conduct--Major and be punishable with a Game Loss. Even at Regular-level events, a player who continues to exhibit specific unwanted behaviors after being instructed otherwise by a tournament official can be given game losses.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 12:03AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 10, 2006
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It's more that I want to do it on behalf of the other people who just put up with it and make his time less than worth it. All standard events at this store are free and we have a higher level base of players so I think it's pretty insulting for him to do this to other very experienced players just for the sake of it. There is little prize support for these free events even though we get 30-50 people regularly.
It seems that getting the judge to shuffle my deck is the only thing but I think I would mostly be inclined to do that if it was a large tournament. It's more of a hassle for the store owner and the other people that work there.
Could he get unsportsmanlike conduct or something because he is making me feel uncomfortable through his actions.
Good in EDH
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3 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 5:46AM
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Feb 10, 2010
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I don't see how the store owners/organisers would let this continue if it's making people uncomfortable. As has been stated, barring actual slight of hand(unlikely), the only reason to do this would be to purpousfully get under the skin and annoy an opponent, which is right in the wheelhouse of "unsportmanlike." You not wanting to hassle the store staff is, I believe, the wrong approach. The discomfort needs to make it's way up the food chain for anything to change. Remember it's this guy trying to be funny with his shuffling that is the problem here.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 5:59AM
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First off, it is an odd way to shuffle a deck and the guy is just plain being a jerk by not listening to others concerns about his shuffling style. If the general consensus is that most players do not like playing with him because of his shuffle there is a very easy solution. Do not play against him. Give up the win and take the loss. If nobody plays against him he will either change the way he shuffles or won't come back. Problem solved. Like you said it is free and prizes are not really the incentive to play so people are coming to have fun. He is taking the fun out of it so force his decision for him. Just a thought 
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3 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 7:10AM
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Apr 12, 2012
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I've met many players who do this, and every single time it's just to get under your skin. I doubt it's sleight of hand -- drawing attention to that would be a poor tactic. He's just trying to play off the superstition of players who think that this method somehow affects the hand that you draw.
I'd not waste time on this guy and just talk to the people who are bothered by it. Tell them that they should just let this guy be an idiot if he wants to. Reinforce that his behavior, though annoying, is harmless.
If you want to change his behavior on behalf of the other players in your store, then pull him aside between matches and talk to him. Tell him that people don't find it amusing. Make him aware that you and others are speaking with the store owner about how to deal with it, because it's probably not a big enough deal to him to risk getting kicked out of the store.
Above all, you have to suck it up and be polite. If you try to be anything but completely cordial with this guy, you're just going to make the situation worse.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 7:22AM
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I agree Bowshewicz about being cordial. That is why I would shake his hand and say 'you win', then wait for my next matchup. If everybody did that he would change pretty quickly.
The fact of the matter is that he knows it bothers other players and insists on continuing to do it. That is not the kind of person I want play a fun game with anyway.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 8:46AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 10, 2006
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A lot of oppinions and thoughts on this matter. I'll have to seriously think about it and see what the right course of action is.
Thanks for all of the help, guys.
Good in EDH
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3 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 9:06AM
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Good luck and please let us know the outcome.
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