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3 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 8:43AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 14, 2008
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How does the second ability of Gideon, Champion of Justice  interact with Humility  ?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 8:48AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2010
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he will be a 1/1 "Planeswalker Creature - Human Gideon Soldier" with no abilities
he is still indestructible and all damage to him is prevented
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3 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 8:52AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2003
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If humility enters the battlefield first and then gideon's ability is used, Gideon will be a "Planeswalker Creature - Gideon Human Soldier", with no abilities, and with power and toughness equal to his loyalty counters. He is indestructible and has a damage prevention effect around him.
If the order is reversed (play gideon's ability first, then humility), he will be the same except his is 1/1.
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In layer 4 (type-changing effects), there is one effect to apply, so we apply it, turning gideon into a human soldier creature in addition to his other types.
In layer 6 (ability adding and removing), there is one effect to apply, so we apply it, removing all of gideon's abilities (his three loyalty abilities)
In layer 7b (P/T setting effects), there are two effects trying to set gideon's power and toughness. They are not dependant on eachother, so they are applied in timestamp order. Assuming humility has the earlier timestamp, we apply it first making gideon 1/1, and then we aply gideon's ability, overwriting the 1/1-ness.
The indestructibility is a change to the rules and does not apply in any layers and won't be affected by humility. The prevention effect also is unaffected.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 13, 2013 - 8:58AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 29, 2007
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in summary, Humility really doesn't mess with Gideon very much he will have his normal P/T except on a turn that someone flashes  in Humility on his controller's turn, after Gideon has animated he will lose his loyalty abilities which he's likely already used for the turn if he's a creature
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