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4 months ago ::
Feb 10, 2013 - 1:02PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 10, 2010
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If I Bioshift  a counter from Protean Hydra  to another creature, does that count as "removing" a counter from the Hydra? Or is it similar to how when something tells you to "put a card into your hand," it doesn't actually count as drawing a card?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 10, 2013 - 1:05PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 12, 2011
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Yes
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4 months ago ::
Feb 10, 2013 - 1:05PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 18, 2009
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If I Bioshift a counter from Protean Hydra to another creature, does that count as "removing" a counter from the Hydra? Or is it similar to how when something tells you to "put a card into your hand," it doesn't actually count as drawing a card?
From Bioshift's rulings (you can find them in the autocard link you provided): 1/24/2013 To move a counter from one creature to another, the counter is removed from the first creature and placed on the second. Any abilities that care about a counter being removed or placed on a creature will apply. So yes, a counter was removed from the Hydra so it will gain two counters next end step.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 10, 2013 - 1:06PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 29, 2007
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yes, it does count as removing a counter 121.5. If an effect says to “move” a counter, it means to take that counter from the object it’s currently on and put it onto a second object. If the first and second objects are the same object, nothing happens. If the first object has no counters, nothing happens; the second object doesn’t get a counter put on it. If the second object (or any possible second objects) is no longer in the correct zone when the effect would move the counter, nothing happens; a counter isn’t removed from the first object.
The last line implies that when moved counters are removed and then placed.
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