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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 8:38AM #11
dh50
Date Joined: Jul 12, 2012
Posts: 650

Feb 10, 2013 -- 7:26AM, Highbreed79 wrote:

What four decks usually win every single time they are played properly? And how many bad decks do you guys think there are? Bad also meaning very little thought or strategy using them.




Zero bad decks, except maybe GG under your definition of 'bad'.  But it's a poor definition.

The weakest deck in the game, RG, is still pretty decent. 

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 9:25AM #12
Niyari
Date Joined: Jan 23, 2013
Posts: 17
Mulligan does nothing about you drawing lands 5 turns in a row, or not drawing any at all.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 10:19AM #13
DroneOn
Date Joined: Aug 26, 2012
Posts: 762

Feb 10, 2013 -- 9:25AM, Niyari wrote:

Mulligan does nothing about you drawing lands 5 turns in a row, or not drawing any at all.




Not true!  5 bad draws in a row can still result in a win if you mulliganned into a good enough opening hand.  Just last night I won two matches (one with OD, one with AW) where I drew 4 or 5 lands in a row but still won, because my opening hand was good enough.

There are no bad decks, only bad players.  In 1v1, even the worst (meaning, "most inconsistent") decks are playable - I'm referring to DP, RG and AoW.

I still don't get why leaderboards should be relevant.  People will always, in every game, figure out a way to cheat their rank up.  Seriously, just ignore them.

But maybe you're right.  Maybe Duels doesn't even worth 6 euros. 

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 10:27AM #14
thedevilwuster
Date Joined: Jan 24, 2012
Posts: 2,714

Feb 10, 2013 -- 10:19AM, DroneOn wrote:

Feb 10, 2013 -- 9:25AM, Niyari wrote:

Mulligan does nothing about you drawing lands 5 turns in a row, or not drawing any at all.




Not true!  5 bad draws in a row can still result in a win if you mulliganned into a good enough opening hand.  Just last night I won two matches (one with OD, one with AW) where I drew 4 or 5 lands in a row but still won, because my opening hand was good enough.

There are no bad decks, only bad players.  In 1v1, even the worst (meaning, "most inconsistent") decks are playable - I'm referring to DP, RG and AoW.

I still don't get why leaderboards should be relevant.  People will always, in every game, figure out a way to cheat their rank up.  Seriously, just ignore them.

But maybe you're right.  Maybe Duels doesn't even worth 6 euros. 





I don't know about that. Matter of opinion.
I've been having much fun playing DP in 1v1 as of recently.
On the other two, I agree.
They are on my shelf collecting dust.

Edit:
On the leader board....
I still can't figure it out. I have been paying attention to it for the past couple of months to see how they react and I must say that I am baffled.

Just in the past couple of days my win ratio is greater than loss and I've somehow went down in the rankings.


                                                                                                                                   

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 10:40AM #15
DroneOn
Date Joined: Aug 26, 2012
Posts: 762
I love playing DP in 1v1, but I don't play it as a mill deck.  I was only really talking about the Turbo Mill version that many people run, with Howling Mine and such (thank for the free cards!)

This is how I run it:
"Controllo"
61 Cards. 25 Lands (25).
A library for Dream Puppets (Jace)
Library code: ((((((((~~?8rRgf~~Controllo~~4=22Z4u~~2AfFoD9~~3AR=f?U~~2AV2Sqn~~2BgrlzF~~2AXVHK2~~3Bv9soo~~2BYNpIs~~1BQh3JZ~~1AM7rMq~~2BSk1iS~~2AM?ImW~~1AOGeX?~~1BcvqPe~~2?6r?pu~~2B=oA0O~~2?z=kXF~~2ADmWas~~))))))))
 Creature 
   cost  ■■  Hedron Crab   0/2   
■■■■  Jace's Phantasm   1/1   
   cost  ■■  Aether Adept   2/2   
   cost  ■■  Clone   0/0   
   cost  ■■  Body Double   0/0   
   cost  ■■  Chancellor of the Spires   5/7   
 Spell 
   cost  ■■■  Thought Scour    
■■  Unsummon    
   cost  ■■  Counterspell    
■■  Into the Roil    
■■■  Mind Sculpt    
   cost    Crippling Chill    
  Dream Fracture    
■■  Sword of Body and Mind    
   cost    Sleep    
   cost    Archive Trap    
■■  Mind Control    
■■  Telemin Performance    
Get the deck planner used to make this table.>>>


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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 11:04AM #16
Janaxstrus
Date Joined: Apr 27, 2012
Posts: 245

Feb 10, 2013 -- 10:40AM, DroneOn wrote:

I love playing DP in 1v1, but I don't play it as a mill deck.  I was only really talking about the Turbo Mill version that many people run, with Howling Mine and such (thank for the free cards!)

This is how I run it:

"Controllo"
61 Cards. 25 Lands (25).
A library for Dream Puppets (Jace)
Library code: ((((((((~~?8rRgf~~Controllo~~4=22Z4u~~2AfFoD9~~3AR=f?U~~2AV2Sqn~~2BgrlzF~~2AXVHK2~~3Bv9soo~~2BYNpIs~~1BQh3JZ~~1AM7rMq~~2BSk1iS~~2AM?ImW~~1AOGeX?~~1BcvqPe~~2?6r?pu~~2B=oA0O~~2?z=kXF~~2ADmWas~~))))))))
 Creature 
   cost   ■■   Hedron Crab    0/2    
■■■■   Jace's Phantasm    1/1    
   cost   ■■   Aether Adept    2/2    
   cost   ■■   Clone    0/0    
   cost   ■■   Body Double    0/0    
   cost   ■■   Chancellor of the Spires    5/7    
 Spell 
   cost   ■■■   Thought Scour     
■■   Unsummon     
   cost   ■■   Counterspell     
■■   Into the Roil     
■■■   Mind Sculpt     
   cost     Crippling Chill     
  Dream Fracture     
■■   Sword of Body and Mind     
   cost     Sleep     
   cost     Archive Trap     
■■   Mind Control     
■■   Telemin Performance     
Get the deck planner used to make this table.>>>






That's about the same as the deck I have for it.  Don't run it often, but yah.  I prefer that over the Howling Mines and such, giving people cards is bad.

The XBL ranked leader boards work fine.  Best of all the systems.  Be BETTER if they actually matched yuo up, instead of picking what games you wanted to join....BUT, they do actually work. 

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 11:22AM #17
Kangermu
Date Joined: Nov 8, 2011
Posts: 673
But if you run the turbo mill properly, they won't have enough time to actually use those extra cards to put together a win. Turbo mill basically means the opponent has 5 turns to put together a win, or it's game over.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 11:32AM #18
DroneOn
Date Joined: Aug 26, 2012
Posts: 762

Feb 10, 2013 -- 11:22AM, Kangermu wrote:

But if you run the turbo mill properly, they won't have enough time to actually use those extra cards to put together a win. Turbo mill basically means the opponent has 5 turns to put together a win, or it's game over.




That's in a best case scenario (getting your one copy of Archive Trap and every other card you need) and the best decks in this format have no trouble winning in 5 turns (well, OD can be somewhat slow).

That's what I meant by it being bad because it's inconsistent.  If you run Rogue's Gallery properly, you can put together a turn 5 win.  That doesn't mean it consistently happens.

"90%" is a joke here but you know, out of the last 100 times I've played against Turbo Mill I think I've only been milled to death less than 10 times.  That's definitely inconsistent when compared to the number of times I've lost to a good Goblins or Chandra build.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2013 - 5:44PM #19
Neofirefly
Date Joined: Aug 9, 2012
Posts: 391
yea sometimes there is those bad nights where it seems either me or my teamate get landscrewed every game, but thats just it though.  It was a bad night where luck was not with us.  Some people get so paranoid/superstitious about it though.

One teamate was trying to tell me.. he thought that some game designer on the other end of the server was holding back his land for some sort of revenge against him being unable to lose unless he gets land screwed or something!!! Or thinking that the game land screws us on purpose when playing against a 100 card deck to even the odds or something!! /tinfoil hat engage!!

people get super crazed when a 100card deck wins...i just don't get it. is 2timewarps out of 60 that much better then 2timewarps and timestrecth out of 100?? Saying omg hemust of just drew that timestrecth at the same time he drew that 10th land for some miracle win that was pure luck!! cause clearly my deck is designed better!! only way I can lose is do to bad luck!!etc.etc.

lets just keep telling ourselves that its only luck when the other guy wins!!!!but incredible skill when we win!!!
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