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Flag krarks_pinky February 8, 2013 5:41 PM PST
Let's say my opponent casts soul ransom on my rubblehulk , and gains control of it (it resolves). Then, I cast gruul charm , choosing to gain control of permanents I own. What happens to rubblehulk? I mean, it's still enchanted, right?
Flag Enigma256 February 8, 2013 5:48 PM PST
it's still enchanted
you get it back anyway
Flag krarks_pinky February 8, 2013 6:14 PM PST
I guess I don't get it. The enchantment wording seems so... continual. I mean, madcap skills doesn't bestow its benefits just on resolution of the casting of the spell, right?
Flag Enigma256 February 8, 2013 6:19 PM PST
Gruul Charm creates a more recent control change effect that overwrites the one from Soul Ransom

what do you think happens when 2 different players cast Mind Control on a creature?
in that case it will also go to the most recent control change effect and not randomly switch between the controllers of the Mind Controls
Flag Shard_Fenix February 8, 2013 7:00 PM PST
The fact that Gruul Charm goes to the graveyard has no bearing on the "strength" of the control effect. Both Mind Control and Gruul Charm create a durational control effect (Mind control's is "As long as Mind control remains on the battlefield" and Gruul Charm's is "As long as the game hasn't ended"). They both have a duration, and when two conflicting effects of the same type apply to the same thing, the newest one always wins. 
Flag Coredump00 February 8, 2013 7:17 PM PST
So Krarks gets control of the rubblehulk, but his opponent still has control of the Soul Ransom.

Therefore Krarks is the one that would activate the last SR ability. (Discard 2 cards, etc.)  Well, Krarks and any other opponents if in a multiplayer.

Did I get that right?
Flag Shiny_Umbreon February 8, 2013 7:22 PM PST

Feb 8, 2013 -- 7:17PM, Coredump00 wrote:

So Krarks gets control of the rubblehulk, but his opponent still has control of the Soul Ransom.

Therefore Krarks is the one that would activate the last SR ability. (Discard 2 cards, etc.)  Well, Krarks and any other opponents if in a multiplayer.

Did I get that right?



Gruul Charm or not, Soul Ransom is always controlled by the player who cast it (unless there's a Confiscate involved), so the "any opponent" part means the opponents of Soul Ransom's controller, which never change with the Gruul Charm.

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