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4 months ago  ::  Feb 08, 2013 - 3:06PM #21
Niche
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I think the deck is pretty subtle, and I'm not trying to be demeaning.

BT is important, but other decks will help me bin creatures. During this process Tragic Slip and Priest go live. While this is going on I can access Extort to help stay stable. Blood Artist is triggering.

Plan A/B is manipulate the board state to win via Bloodthrone or 5/5 flying Demons... and draining their life to stay alive in the process via Artist/Extort. Plan A/B doesn't kick off til turn 5 or after... early game we're on the 'dont die' plan. Luckily the removal is excellent for this job and I can afford to lose life to cards like Orzhov Charm or creatures getting in because there's a lot of lifegain.

And again, I said this is raw... conceptual... in need of tuning. But I think there are legs here. 


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4 months ago  ::  Feb 08, 2013 - 3:43PM #22
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3 lili was too many anyways
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 08, 2013 - 4:01PM #23
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Feb 8, 2013 -- 2:51PM, Niche wrote:

Again, winning through tokens is a plan C/D thing. Generally you win through Artist and Extort before you could turn tokens sideways enough to win.

However if I was going to get on the token win plan it might be the Garruk Relentless provides the best of all 3 plans of attack... first we to kill creatures, forcing morbid and acting as removal... he flips and keeps forcing morbid by tutor, or adding deathtouch wolves which are really good at killing also... or he can crack the overrun and give the token win on a board state in which I'm ahead.

Think I'll cut some plains for gardens/sunpetals, and swamps for tombs/cemetery.... and get him in as a 2 of. Maybe at the expense of Liliana...




You could also add Deathrite Shaman (good target with Orzhov Charm), Thragtusk , and it would open you up to Abrupt Decay .  Too bad you have to "damage" High Priest of Penance , if it was just sack, that'd be sweet.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 08, 2013 - 4:02PM #24
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 08, 2013 - 4:06PM #25
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Feb 8, 2013 -- 3:06PM, Niche wrote:

I think the deck is pretty subtle, and I'm not trying to be demeaning.

BT is important, but other decks will help me bin creatures. During this process Tragic Slip and Priest go live. While this is going on I can access Extort to help stay stable. Blood Artist is triggering.

Plan A/B is manipulate the board state to win via Bloodthrone or 5/5 flying Demons... and draining their life to stay alive in the process via Artist/Extort. Plan A/B doesn't kick off til turn 5 or after... early game we're on the 'dont die' plan. Luckily the removal is excellent for this job and I can afford to lose life to cards like Orzhov Charm or creatures getting in because there's a lot of lifegain.

And again, I said this is raw... conceptual... in need of tuning. But I think there are legs here. 




I'm obviously offended because of how demeaning you are being Niche. I mean, come on, you're soooo demeaning.

Have you gotten to do any testing with this? I've been wanting to find a good Standard deck beyond GW (no longer satisfied with Bant midrange) that I like and will consistently want to play (Esper control is very much a "I need to be in the mood to make a lot of choices" deck) but I've done very little testing for Standard because I have focused on Modern. 
Also, I want to test Standard more, especially after tomorrow (Modern PTQ is tomorrow) 

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 08, 2013 - 10:39PM #26
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I'm not sure you have enough sac outlets for it to really shine, but Unruly Mob is a card. I definitely like the throwback feel to it, but the old Ghost Husk ran 20+ bears to end the game. Also, Murder Investigation seems decent on Bloodthrone, especially if you choose to go with Virtue/Sorin. Maybe I'm getting too narrow in my suggestions though.

Also, I don't think there has to be a strong distinction between Tokens and Husk. I think they can work in unison to create a fairly strong build. I think I remember there being a build in the old days that was more tokens-based.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 12:26PM #27
Niche
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This has all been really good feedback. I appreciate the discussion.

Here's an updated decklist:

4 x Doomed Traveler
3 x Bloodthrone Vampire
2 x Skirsdag High Priest
4 x Blood Artist
3 x Thragtusk

4 x Tragic Slip
4 x Orzhov Charm
3 x Blind Obedience
4 x Lingering Souls
1 x Underworld Connections
2 x Divine Deflection

2 x Garruk Relentless

4 x Isolated Chapel
3 x Godless Shrine
3 x Temple Garden
1 x Overgrown Tomb
3 x Sunpetal Grove
6 x Swamp
4 x Plains

2 x Deathrite Shaman
1 x Tormod's Crypt
2 x Oblivion Ring
3 x Duress
2 x Devour Flesh
3 x Tribute to Hunger
2 x Rootborn Defenses


Got green added. Very tough cuts to do so. 

Considering flipping Bloodthrone Vampire around for Cartel Aristocrat. Testing will show if I need more defense early or the late game aggression.


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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 3:02PM #28
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I would pick Cartel as sac outlet....can live longer than Bloodthrone

How you win with this deck...seems fragile. Have you test?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 4:28PM #29
Niche
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Tried to test some today, unable to. The deck isn't fragile. Tons of life gain, defense, removal, power, synergy.

Fr I love unruly mob here and am watching for a chance to add it. Pulled a few aside already just in case.


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4 months ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 4:45PM #30
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Feb 9, 2013 -- 4:28PM, Niche wrote:

Tried to test some today, unable to. The deck isn't fragile. Tons of life gain, defense, removal, power, synergy. Fr I love unruly mob here and am watching for a chance to add it. Pulled a few aside already just in case.




Oh man I forgot mob existed. Deck looks really fun.

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