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5 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 11:13PM
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So I have a couple questions with cipher. 1) If I cast Stolen Identity  can I get a token of a creature and cipher it on that token? 2) If I cast Stolen Identity and I Twincast  it can I cipher 2 creatures? 3) If I somehow play Stolen Identity not casting, do I still get to cipher?
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5 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 11:14PM
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Jul 28, 2010
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1) yes
2) no, the copy is not a card
you can only encode cards
3) no
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5 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 11:17PM
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cool thanks for the quick reply
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5 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 11:17PM
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Jan 24, 2011
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3) "Play" is the same thing as "cast" for nonland cards. If you somehow play Stolen Identity, you have cast it.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 11:19PM
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well i ment it in a way where i didn't cast it. kinda like twincast in a way. 2 and 3 kinda answer each other lol
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5 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 11:21PM
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Jul 12, 2009
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okay i got a few more questions 1) what would happen if a ciphered creature hits a player can I twincast  the cipher? 2) If i Clone  a creature with cipher encoded does the clone have the cipher? im guessing no on number 2 but just want to make sure
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5 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 11:28PM
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- Niftily helpful
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1. You can do that. It's a spell, so you can Twincast it. Note that since the copy is not a card, you will not be able to encode it on anything.
2. Nope. What's encoded on a creature is not a part of its copiable value, so the Clone will not copy what is encoded on the original creature.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 11:28PM
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Jul 28, 2010
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1) you can Twincast it, it's a regular spell 2) no
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5 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 11:29PM
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Jul 12, 2009
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awesome thanks for all the answers I think I understand cipher completely now
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5 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 6:11AM
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Jan 29, 2011
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I don't remember the actual cards involved now, but my son played an instant with ciper. The instant went through then he attached it to a creature, then attacked with that creature. Does he get to use the cipher ability again on the same turn?
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