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4 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 6:14AM
#11
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Date Joined:
Jul 18, 2012
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Cipher allows you to copy a card and then cast the copy.
Even if you tried to encode the copy onto another creature, the copy ceases to exist as soon as it resolves.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 6:17AM
#12
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2010
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there are no instants with Cipher
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4 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 6:19AM
#13
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Date Joined:
Jan 29, 2011
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I'll have to find out what the cards involved were and repost later. Thanks.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 6:38AM
#14
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2008
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If he granted the Cipher card Flash (E.G. Leyline of Anticipation  ) then he could accomplish that. There are not rules specific to Cipher that prevent it from being triggered the turn you encode it.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 6:52AM
#15
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Date Joined:
Apr 12, 2012
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Using something like Vedalken Orrery  , you can cast a spell with Cipher as late as the declare blockers step and have Cipher trigger to create a copy almost immediately.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 7:07AM
#16
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Date Joined:
Oct 29, 2007
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or the Standard-legal, Hypersonic Dragon 
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4 months ago ::
Feb 08, 2013 - 10:36AM
#17
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Date Joined:
Feb 10, 2005
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A couple feel like instants, like Hands of Binding  or Last Thoughts  . But to be clear, the cipher ability has two parts: encoding a creature and casting an encoded spell when the encoded creature deals damage to a player. And neither of those things care about the turn that they happened.
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