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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 8:29AM
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Jan 19, 2013
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I have an Orzhov Deck and I was looking at my side board. Cartel Aristocrat  , Orzhov Charm  , Dying Wish  If I have a 1/1 Spirit Token (from Beckon Apparition  ) with Dying Wish, I beef it up with Gift of Orzhova  and other Auras, *When I sacrifice the Token to Cartel Aristocrat (dealing damage and gaining life via Dying Wish), could I play Orzhov Charm to return the Auras to my hand and still deal the damage and gain the life? I want to make sure I know about this because I do want to deal the damage and gain the life yet keep the Auras so that I could repeat the process.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 8:32AM
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Jan 19, 2003
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When I sacrifice the Token to Cartel Aristocrat (dealing damage and gaining life via Dying Wish), could I play Orzhov Charm to return the Auras to my hand and still deal the damage and gain the life?
No.
If you sacrifice the token, the auras go to the graveyard before you can play anything else.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 8:33AM
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Jul 28, 2010
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Orzhov Charm can only return creatures from the battlefield, not from the graveyard (there they are not creatures but creature cards (ok, in this case not even a card, because it is a token)) furthermore: the token in the graveyard will have ceased to exist by the time you get priority the token in the graveyard has no Auras attached to it
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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 8:42AM
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Jan 19, 2013
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Alright, I should have seen that coming . . . . Let's say it is all on a Nip Gwyllion  , How about it then?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 8:46AM
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Jul 28, 2010
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still no
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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 8:48AM
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It still won't work. There's no time between activating the Aristocrat's ability - by sacrificing the Gwyllion, putting her in the graveyard along with her (now unattached) Auras - and it resolving where you can insert the effects of the Orzhov Charm. That is, you can respond to the Aristocrat's ability by playing the Charm, but the Gwyllion and Auras are already in the graveyard and beyond its power by the time you do so.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 9:07AM
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