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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 4:20AM #1
Urzasapprentice
Date Joined: Jul 13, 2008
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So here's a senario:

I'm at two life and tapped out. I have a Dramatic Rescue in my hand and a Hussar Patrol on the board.

My opponent plays Stab Wound on my Patrol.

Now the turn phase should go:Untap, Upkeep, Draw...so do I have priority at any point before Stab Wound's ability would go on the stack?

Would I be able to get my two life from Rescue to live?

Would I be completely dead if in the same senario the card in my hand is Unsummon ?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 4:29AM #2
Chaikov
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Feb 5, 2013 -- 4:20AM, Urzasapprentice wrote:

do I have priority at any point before Stab Wound's ability would go on the stack?


No.


Feb 5, 2013 -- 4:20AM, Urzasapprentice wrote:

Would I be able to get my two life from Rescue to live?


Yes, while Wound's ability is on the stack.

Feb 5, 2013 -- 4:20AM, Urzasapprentice wrote:

Would I be completely dead if in the same senario the card in my hand is Unsummon ?


Yes.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 4:30AM #3
rezzahan
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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You can respond to Stab Wound 's trigger, yes. So Dramatic Rescue can save you (you'll be at 2 life). Unsummon however cannot as you still lose the life from the Wound's trigger even if it has left the field.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 4:31AM #4
Urzasapprentice
Date Joined: Jul 13, 2008
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Feb 5, 2013 -- 4:30AM, rezzahan wrote:

You can respond to Stab Wound 's trigger, yes. So Dramatic Rescue can save you (you'll be at 2 life). Unsummon however cannot as you still lose the life from the Wound's trigger even if it has left the field.




Why can't I have priority at the end of the untap phase? Or during the upkeep phase while the stack is still empty?

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 4:33AM #5
Kenjiblade
Date Joined: May 6, 2011
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1. Because no players receive priority at any point during the untap step.

 

502.3. No player receives priority during the untap step, so no spells can be cast or resolve and no
abilities can be activated or resolve. Any ability that triggers during this step will be held until the
next time a player would receive priority, which is usually during the upkeep step. (See rule 503,
"Upkeep Step.")




2. Because no player receives priority until after any applicable triggered abilities go on the stack at the beginning of the upkeep step.


503.1. First, any abilities that trigger at the beginning of the upkeep step and any abilities that triggered
during the turn’s untap step go on the stack. (See rule 603, "Handling Triggered Abilities.")
503.2. Second, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities.



 

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 4:42AM #6
2goth4U
Date Joined: Oct 29, 2007
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Feb 5, 2013 -- 4:31AM, Urzasapprentice wrote:

Why can't I have priority at the end of the untap phase? Or during the upkeep phase while the stack is still empty?


because that's what the rules say

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 5:03AM #7
LMTRK
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Note that if you were on 1 life and had 3 Stab Wound on a creature, you would not be able to save yourself with a single Dramatic Rescue.

Your upkeep would begin, all three triggers would go on the stack, and even if you used Dramatic Rescue in response to gain 2 life and return the creature to your hand, those triggers would still resolve independantly of their sources (so the fact that the Stab Wounds will be sent to the graveyard wont matter). You would go up to 3 life, then down to 2, down to 1 and then down to 0, and lose the game.

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Jan 5, 2013 -- 9:32PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:20AM, LMTRK wrote:

That makes no sense to me.

If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?

~ Tim   


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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 5:10AM #8
2goth4U
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actually, the player would lose with the third trigger still waiting on the stack (each Stab Wound trigger causes two life loss)
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Ikegami: "one might think [adult cats] would make excellent tokens. The issue, though, is that they are very hard to exile. They return to the battlefield more often than an undying creature."
Astarael7: "Does 121.1 imply that players are supposed to wear their poison counters?"
Bimmerbot: "If you move the wrong way and [the poison counters] fall, it's a game rule violation"
Helluminatus: "Just remember, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but the oracle text says creature - Bunny , then by god, it's a bunny."
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 5:52AM #9
LMTRK
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Feb 5, 2013 -- 5:10AM, 2goth4U wrote:

actually, the player would lose with the third trigger still waiting on the stack (each Stab Wound trigger causes two life loss)



Oops. My mistake. Thought it was 1 life. What was I thinking of? That new Orzhov aura?

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Jan 5, 2013 -- 9:32PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:20AM, LMTRK wrote:

That makes no sense to me.

If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?

~ Tim   


Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch . YAY COLOR IDENTITY


Oct 26, 2012 -- 9:56PM, zammm wrote:

Oct 26, 2012 -- 12:24AM, Raeoran wrote:

Is algebra really that difficult?

Survey says yes.


Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:59AM, Novacat wrote:

Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:36AM, LMTRK wrote:

You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.


I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 8:18AM #10
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One Thousand Lashes .

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