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4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2013 - 9:18PM #1
DCIunic
Date Joined: Jan 9, 2012
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Hi some questions i need help with,


1. If i have a Renegade Doppelganger in play, and i successfully cast a Wall of Blossoms , and activate the Doppleganger's ability to become another WoB, does the enter the battlefield trigger for the cloned Wall of Blossoms

2. Lets say i play Ghostly Flicker and flicker 2 of my creatures, lets say a Wall of Blossoms and a Restoration Angel , since they both re-enter the battlefield at the same time, how do i decide which enter the battlefield trigger will trigger first?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2013 - 9:21PM #2
Segoth
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1) No, the Renegade Doppelganger is only changing it's characteristics, it's not entering the battlefield.  Something only enters the battlefield if it moves from another zone onto the battlefield.

2) Since you control the triggers, you choose the order they are put on the stack. 
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2013 - 11:23PM #3
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Feb 4, 2013 -- 9:21PM, Segoth wrote:

1) No, the Renegade Doppelganger is only changing it's characteristics, it's not entering the battlefield.  Something only enters the battlefield if it moves from another zone onto the battlefield.



Besides, the Doppleganger doesn't have an activated ability, unless it already copied something else that had one, but a triggered ability.

cost : effet > Activated ability, YOU decide to activate/play it
When(ever), At > Triggered ability, it triggers itself on certain events

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 5:05AM #4
LMTRK
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Feb 4, 2013 -- 9:21PM, Segoth wrote:

Something only enters the battlefield if it moves from another zone onto the battlefield.



And when it is created from nothing and put straight onto the battlefield.
(for example, tokens made from Dragon Fodder never existed anywhere before they entered the battlefield, because they didnt exist at all)
  

Feb 4, 2013 -- 9:21PM, Segoth wrote:

2) Since you control the triggers, you choose the order they are put on the stack.


OP: Note that they resolve in reverse order. (LIFO = Last In First Out)

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Jan 5, 2013 -- 9:32PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:20AM, LMTRK wrote:

That makes no sense to me.

If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?

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Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch . YAY COLOR IDENTITY


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I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 5:14AM #5
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Also, if an ability of an object refers to itself by name it really means this object.

eg. an existing Wall of Blossoms won't trigger when another Wall of Blossoms enters the field even though they both are named Wall of Blossoms.
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