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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 3:54AM
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Other planeswalkers could be turned into creature as well. In fact, every planeswalker can be turned into a creature. Attacking such planeswalker may not be pointless. Blocking with it is not pointless either. The planeswalker would not protect itself, but at least it would hurt the attacking creature.
wtf?
Planeswalkers are permanents, so all you need is a way to turn permanents into creatures. For example, with Mycosynth Lattice  and March of the Machines  : each planeswalker is now an artifact creature planeswalker. Other option: Enchanted Evening  and Opalescence  to have enchantment creature planeswalkers. You can also use Liquimetal Coating  instead of the Lattice, and/or Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas  instead of the March. Let's say you have now a 5/5 artifact-creature-planeswalker Tezzeret. He can block creatures attacking you or him. If a creature attacks him and he doesn't block, he'll just be damaged (losing loyalty counters and having marked damage on him). But if he blocks it, he'll deal 5 damage to the creature (and receive the same amount of damage with the same effects on him).
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 4:48AM
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also effects like Leyline of Punishment  could make Gideon's day a little scarier.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 8:52AM
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Other planeswalkers could be turned into creature as well. In fact, every planeswalker can be turned into a creature. Attacking such planeswalker may not be pointless. Blocking with it is not pointless either. The planeswalker would not protect itself, but at least it would hurt the attacking creature.
wtf?
Planeswalkers do no damage to creatures attacking them. Blocking creatures do!
Yes, but I was talking about a planeswalker creature blocking a creature attacking it. It can block the creature attacking it. And this is not pointless as the planwswalker creature would deal damage to the attacking creature. I don't know how could I write it so it is more understandable :P
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 9:09AM
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Where the brain can bend is in that, if a planeswalker is removed from combat, it stops being attacked. So if Player A attacks Planeswalker B with a first strike creature and several non-first-strike creatures, a creature-animated planeswalker (like will_dice's examples above) could throw itself in front of itself to block for itself, choosing to block the first striker, set up a regeneration shield somehow, take lethal damage from the first striker, regenerate, regeneration removes the Planeswalker from combat, then all those unblocked non-first-strikers find themselves dealing their damage to nothing at all (more accurately: not dealing any damage at all) while Planeswalker B looks on and makes trollface at them.
Or at least, that's how I read 506.4 .
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 9:23AM
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could throw itself in front of itself to block for itself, choosing to block the first striker, set up a regeneration shield somehow, take lethal damage from the first striker, regenerate, regeneration removes the Planeswalker from combat,
Note that the planeswalker would lose Loyalty as well as have damage marked on it, so it might go to the graveyard (for having zero loyalty) even if it regenerates (to prevent destruction due to lethal damage).
Of course, a 5/5 artifact creature planeswalker with 6 loyalty would survive taking 5 first strike damage if you regenerated it. 
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Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
Zis iz a sign uf deep psychological troma, buried in zer subconscious mind. By keelink himzelf, Kamahl iz physically expressink hiz feelinks uf self-disgust ova hiz desire for hiz muzzer. [/GermanPsychologistVoice]
That makes no sense to me.
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
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Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise  in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch  . YAY COLOR IDENTITY 
Is algebra really that difficult?
Survey says yes.
You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.
I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 10:00AM
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...or 1 point of first strike deathtouch. (Come at me, Glissa!) My scenario is getting exceedingly convoluted. Interesting note; I hadn't realized animated-planeswalker damage from blocking would cause loyalty loss. I had thought that loyalty loss was entirely restricted to damage from unblocked-or-trampling attackers, and redirected damage originally destined to its controller.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 10:28AM
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Interesting note; I hadn't realized animated-planeswalker damage from blocking would cause loyalty loss. I had thought that loyalty loss was entirely restricted to damage from unblocked-or-trampling attackers, and redirected damage originally destined to its controller.
Wait, then what would Magmaquake  do under that logic? It's not 'redirected' damage and it's not an attacker. In short, damage is damage is damage. It doesn't mater why or how the damage was dealt. It's damage, and it's a planeswalker in the receiving end, so loyalty counters are removed; that's all the rule says.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 10:43AM
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OK, now you're just piling on. I've already admitted I was mistaken and hadn't realized how it worked, to reply with extra reinforcement that my logic was wrong after I've already admitted my logic was wrong is unnecessary roughness. I've already conceded the tackle and taken a knee, you don't need to hit me again.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 10:54AM
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then if you weren't playing a wussy game like football, that stops frequently, you'd be getting into the scrum and trying to assist your team in recovering the ball to move down field and get the try.
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Goth/Industrial/EBM/Indie/Alternative/80's-Wave DJDJ VortexDCI Certified Rules Advisor from July 14, 2009 to July 14, 2012 DCI #5209514320 Wit found in Rules Q&ARPJesus: "Man, screw the rules, I'll play a game of 2HG Archenemy Planechase Emperor EDH draft yet. Once I figure out the rules for it..." Chaikov: "Of course, casual Magic may be played any way your Pokemon group agrees on..." and "It's not logic. It's Magic!" GainsBanding: "I only play online. The Magic Online shuffler is AWESOME!" Ikegami: "one might think [adult cats] would make excellent tokens. The issue, though, is that they are very hard to exile. They return to the battlefield more often than an undying creature." Astarael7: "Does 121.1 imply that players are supposed to wear their poison counters?" Bimmerbot: "If you move the wrong way and [the poison counters] fall, it's a game rule violation" Helluminatus: "Just remember, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but the oracle text says creature - Bunny , then by god, it's a bunny." MadCow21: "Who are you and what have you done with the real Chaikov?" My Wife's Makeup Artist Page <-- cool stuff - check it out
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 3:19PM
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OK, now you're just piling on. I've already admitted I was mistaken and hadn't realized how it worked, to reply with extra reinforcement that my logic was wrong after I've already admitted my logic was wrong is unnecessary roughness. I've already conceded the tackle and taken a knee, you don't need to hit me again.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude, just curious, to better understand that line of thinking; may be relevant when another player with similar logic shows up with in another thread here.
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