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5 months ago ::
Feb 04, 2013 - 3:16PM
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Weather the below applies could be a point of interpretation I suppose. From the Magic Tournament Rules:
A player may not request priority and take no action with it. If a player decides he or she does not wish to do anything, the request is nullified and priority is returned to the player that originally had it.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 04, 2013 - 3:40PM
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you can pass the priority without doing something, yes
This is incorrect. You are not allowed to request priority from your opponent and then not do anything with it. The IPG forbids this - it stops players from sneakily getting opponents to skip steps or phases. If you were to do this, then what Zauzich said applies, the opponent gets priority again during that step.
You can not do something, but you opponent will get priority back still in upkeep if they want it.
This is absolutely correct. Outlined in the quoted tournament rule above, if you request priority during a step and then choose to not do anything with that request (not an allowed action) - the fix is that your opponent gets priority again in that same step.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 04, 2013 - 3:55PM
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Jul 15, 2011
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The IPG forbids this - it stops players from sneakily getting opponents to skip steps or phases.
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KyCygni, could you expand on this? ie break it down for me step by step to see what sneaky stuff i can do if this tournament rule didn't exist?
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5 months ago ::
Feb 04, 2013 - 4:17PM
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If both players pass priority during a step or phase, the game moves on to the next step or phase. If you say something to convince your opponent that you're going to do something during a step, and then he says "ok, do what you'd like to do", technically he's passed priority to you. Suddenly changing your mind and then passing priority back would mean that the game has moved forward - effectively, you lied. Players shouldn't have to worry about whether or not their opponents are accurately describing their future actions that haven't even taken place yet. If you want to give your opponent a heads up, feel free, but by no means is your opponent signing some sort of contract simply because he's acknowledging your "pause on X step" remark. The judges aren't going to want to give you a penalty for "cheating - fraud (e.g. lying)" when you honestly just decided to change your mind, so the gamestate just backs up to the beginning of the step as if your request was never granted. It fixes a lot of communication problems and only hurts the aims of players who are trying to win games not strategically but rather with sleight-of-tongue.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 04, 2013 - 5:34PM
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KyCygni, could you expand on this? ie break it down for me step by step to see what sneaky stuff i can do if this tournament rule didn't exist?
And to give you a concrete example:
Suppose you control Magus of the Mirror  , and I pass my turn. You untap and just as you start pondering whether or not you want to activate its ability, I ask you "Can I play something in your upkeep?" You think "let's see what he wants to do" and answer "yes" (*); I proceed to say "oh, well, I changed my mind, I won't do anything. Guess it's your draw step now." and I have effectively weaseled you out of your chance to exchange life totals this turn. The cited rule prevents that.
(*) I believe that there used to be a time when people would try to pull this by phrasing their question in such a way that it might simply be a general rules question as well as a question about the current situation. You're thinking, your opponent asks you a geenral rules question, you absent-mindedly answer "yes, of course", and your opponent claims you just passed him priority. The above rule was introduced to curb this behavior, if my memory serves.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 04, 2013 - 5:37PM
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@GoblinBasar: that cleared things up for me very well. thank you!
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 5:58AM
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suppose i take Zauzich's suggestion and say "entering my end step. i pass priority to you. are you doing anything on my end step?" and my opponent says "no". and then i say "i'm going to do something during your upkeep". then my opponent untaps and says that it's his upkeep with me having priority. can i then decide that i'd rather not do something after all, or am i bound to "do something" because i said i would?
This is completely fine, of course, but it's out of place enough that you may as well have said that you're planning on doing something in my upkeep anyway 
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 3:04PM
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I usually go with "wait in upkeep, please" over "I'm going to do something in your upkeep." This way, I'm requesting a pause rather than claiming I'm going to do an action--at which point I can choose to act or say, "nevermind, go ahead."
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5 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 5:17AM
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I usually go with "wait in upkeep, please" over "I'm going to do something in your upkeep." This way, I'm requesting a pause rather than claiming I'm going to do an action--at which point I can choose to act or say, "nevermind, go ahead."
Could I say "Excuse me Sir, i may want priority during your upkeep".
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5 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 5:46AM
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I usually go with "wait in upkeep, please" over "I'm going to do something in your upkeep." This way, I'm requesting a pause rather than claiming I'm going to do an action--at which point I can choose to act or say, "nevermind, go ahead."
Could I say "Excuse me Sir, i may want priority during your upkeep".
I have that exact phrase tattooed on my forehead just for this very need. So my opponents never forget - I may want priority during their upkeep.
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