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4 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2013 - 5:30PM #1
HongKongPanda
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It is learnt that "Sacrifice a creature" = "dies" and you can not use same resource to pay for multiple spells/abilities, 


then senario:

1)  I have village cannibals and falkenrath torturer in battlefield;
2)  now I sacrifice 2 Human creature;


it results into => 

(A)  put 2 nos +1/+1 counter on falkenrath torturer   and put 2 nos +1/+1 counter on village cannibals
(assume the same 1 human creature can trigger both cards at the same time and with accumulative effect)

or


(B)  put 2 nos +1/+1 counter on falkenrath torturer
(assume 1 human creature trigger 1 card in one time only)

   

which one is correct?   



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4 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2013 - 5:37PM #2
rudolf
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Feb 2, 2013 -- 5:30PM, HongKongPanda wrote:




It is learnt that "Sacrifice a creature" = "dies" and you can not use same resource to pay for multiple spells/abilities, 


then senario:

1)  I have village cannibals and falkenrath torturer in battlefield;
2)  now I sacrifice 2 Human creature;


it results into => 

(A)  put 2 nos +1/+1 counter on falkenrath torturer   and put 2 nos +1/+1 counter on village cannibals
(assume the same 1 human creature can trigger both cards at the same time and with accumulative effect)

or


(B)  put 2 nos +1/+1 counter on falkenrath torturer
(assume 1 human creature trigger 1 card in one time only)

   

which one is correct?   





(A) is correct.  The ability will trigger on the Cannibals.  You're not using the sacrifice to pay for anything other than the Torturer.
 

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2013 - 5:46PM #3
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A is correct assuming you used Falkenrath Torturer to do the sacrifice
if you are sacrificing them some other way only Village Cannibals will benefit, the Torturer will ignore those sacrifices
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2013 - 6:18PM #4
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Feb 2, 2013 -- 5:30PM, HongKongPanda wrote:

"Sacrifice a creature" = "dies" 


probably, but not 100% true

sacrifice Progenitus / Darksteel Colossus / Blightsteel Colossus ≠ "dies"

any sacrifice with Rest in Peace on field ≠ "dies"

dies means goes to graveyard from battlefield (it's a result)

sacrifice means leaves battlefield due to sacrifice, typically arrives in graveyard, but can go elsewhere (it's an action)

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2013 - 7:36PM #5
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so everytime it read "if.... would be put into graveyard from anywhere... ", is it mean that the creature did not arrive at graveyard and not "dies" at all? therefore, it would not activate any other "dies" trigger abilities, correct?


" sacrifice means leaves battlefield due to sacrifice, typically arrives in graveyard, but can go elsewhere (it's an action) "..... so is it same as "dies" that it come to graveyard from the battlefied? or anywhere?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2013 - 7:51PM #6
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Feb 2, 2013 -- 7:36PM, HongKongPanda wrote:


so everytime it read "if.... would be put into graveyard from anywhere... ", is it mean that the creature did not arrive at graveyard and not "dies" at all? therefore, it would not activate any other "dies" trigger abilities, correct?


if a creature doesn't go from the battlefield to the graveyard it did not "die"

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2013 - 7:52PM #7
rudolf
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Feb 2, 2013 -- 7:51PM, Enigma256 wrote:

Feb 2, 2013 -- 7:36PM, HongKongPanda wrote:


so everytime it read "if.... would be put into graveyard from anywhere... ", is it mean that the creature did not arrive at graveyard and not "dies" at all? therefore, it would not activate any other "dies" trigger abilities, correct?


it wouldn't say that, it would say "When" or "Whenever", not "If"
if a creature doesn't go from the battlefield to the graveyard it did not "die"



I think he was asking about Progenitus .

Progentus won't trigger any "dies" abiltiies, because it never dies.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2013 - 8:05PM #8
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Many Thx for the help and reply from all you guys!!!  Smile
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