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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 10:21AM
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Hi Rules, I'm trying to figure out how this Modern Scapeshift deck works. Whats the critical mass of lands I need in order to trigger the valakut damage. Here is the example: I have 7 lands in play (no valakut). I cast Scapeshift. I search for 2 Valakut, the molten pinnacle  and 5 mountains. All these permanents enter into the battlefield at the same time. They "see" eachother. Will Valakut trigger the damage from the 5 mountains? The other example is the same 7 lands, and I cast Scapeshift  and search for 1 vakalut and 6 mountains. Same question as above? The last question is, my opponent has a Ghost Quarter  . Is there a way he can bust up the combo somehow mid scapeshift? Thanks so much for helping me figure this out! edited for card tags for people who may not know what these cards do. Edited to correct the question.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 10:24AM
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I have 7 lands in play (no valakut). I cast Scapeshift. I search for 2 Valakuts and 5 mountains. All these permanents enter into the battlefield at the same time. They "see" eachother. Can I trigger the damage on valakut for this?
Well, you won't trigger the Valakuts but yes, they will trigger. Same for the 6-of question.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 10:26AM
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The last question is, my opponent has a Ghost Quarter . Is there a way he can bust up the combo somehow mid scapeshift?
Not easily: you could always fetch another Mountain from Ghost's effect.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 10:27AM
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I have 7 lands in play (no valakut). I cast Scapeshift. I search for 2 Valakuts and 5 mountains. All these permanents enter into the battlefield at the same time. They "see" eachother. Can I trigger the damage on valakut for this?
Well, you won't trigger the Valakuts but yes, they will trigger.
Thanks, I've edited the post to correct the question. Yes I know I am not the one doing the triggering.
For the Ghost Quarter part of the question, using the example of 7 lands.
If I scapeshift saccing 7 lands, finding 2 Valakut, the molten pinnacle and 5 mountain  . Is there a way my opponent can use Ghost Quarter to break up the combo and/or effects or reduce the incoming damage to him? (assuming I am pointing the damage from valakut to him)
(edited for card tag on mountain in case we needed to know what that was.)
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 10:33AM
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The last question is, my opponent has a Ghost Quarter . Is there a way he can bust up the combo somehow mid scapeshift?
Not easily: you could always fetch another Mountain from Ghost's effect.
So the 2 Valakut's and the 5 Mountains enter the battlefield. Both Valakut's trigger on each mountain entering, He tries to Ghost Quarter a Valakut. But the triggers are already on the stack? And I find another mountain, which triggers the remaining valakut once?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 11:11AM
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Wait, I don't follow why people are saying 'yes' to the first question.
Valakut says "Whenever a Mountain enters the battlefield under your control, if you control at least five other Mountains..."
Each mountain only sees four other mountains (it doesn't count itself, because itself is not an other mountain). The scenario as I see described (2 Valakuts + 5 mountains) results in no Valakut triggers.
Now, if there were six mountains, each mountain would trigger because it would see five other mountains.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 11:49AM
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If you bring in exactly enough mountains to trigger Valakut , your opponent might try to interrupt the combo by destroying a mountain with Ghost Quarter to mess up the requirement. In order for this to work, you'd have to either be completely out mountains in your deck, or cooperate with the guy and fetch something that isn't a mountain. He could use Strip Mine  to successfully lessen the effect. In this case, the second check would fail for all but the destroyed mountain. If you found 2x Valakut  and 6x Mountain  (but one was destroyed), that'd mean your opponent takes 6 damage. @Enigma, below: Edited for clarity.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 12:11PM
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I have 7 lands in play (no valakut). I cast Scapeshift. I search for 2 Valakut, the molten pinnacle and 5 mountains. All these permanents enter into the battlefield at the same time. They "see" eachother. Will Valakut trigger the damage from the five mountains?
no, because although each mountain enters and sees the other mountains, each mountain does not see five other mountains so the intervening if clause is false and nothing happens
The other example is the same 7 lands, and I cast Scapeshift and search for 1 vakalut and 6 mountains. Same question as above?
this will trigger the Valakut six times because each of the six mountains sees the other five mountains
The last question is, my opponent has a Ghost Quarter . Is there a way he can bust up the combo somehow mid scapeshift?
no, because all the lands are put on the field during the resolution of Scapeshift and no one has priority at that point.
if you already had a Valakut on the field, he could respond to your Scapeshift and kill it to save himself from some triggers, but he can't do anything about it if you put Valakuts on the field during Scapeshift's resolution.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 12:12PM
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If you found 2x Valakut and 6x Mountain , that'd mean your opponent takes 6 damage.
36 damage, actually
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 1:08PM
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I have 7 lands in play (no valakut). I cast Scapeshift. I search for 2 Valakut, the molten pinnacle and 5 mountains. All these permanents enter into the battlefield at the same time. They "see" eachother. Will Valakut trigger the damage from the five mountains?
no, because although each mountain enters and sees the other mountains, each mountain does not see five other mountains so the intervening if clause is false and nothing happens
Thanks very much for this much clearer explanation. This puts the 'critical mass' I'm looking for to be 6 mountains correct? Making each mountain 'sees' 5 other mountains and therefore triggering any number of valakuts (which can also enter at the same time from the same scapeshift or have previously been on the field) to deal damage.
The other example is the same 7 lands, and I cast Scapeshift and search for 1 vakalut and 6 mountains. Same question as above?
this will trigger the Valakut six times because each of the six mountains sees the other five mountains
So by that understanding a modern scapeshift deck, say this one, is to get 8 lands in play and then scapeshift. Find 2 valakut's and 6 mountains. Dealing 36 damage total.
Thanks for helping me understand the mechanics behind this, I haven't seen this deck played live so I was unaware of what the specific conditions are required to win. My friend and I are building up a guantlet of the popular modern decks so we needed to be sure on what it takes for this deck to win.
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