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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 8:52AM
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Both literally (since this is a graveyard themed thing) and metaphorically (since I'm having an argument). So recently I've been in a contest and the judge said this card is not top tier: Spike, Game Winner    Planeswalker - Spike Whenever a creature dies, put one loyalty counter on Spike, Game Winner. 0: Target creature you control fights another target creature. 0: Creatures you control have deathtouch until end of turn. -X: Target player loses X life and you gain X life. Starting loyalty: 2 So what I'm going to do is try my darndest to concoct a top tier Standard decklist that wants a playset of that guy. My self-imposed restrictions: 1. Neither black nor green should be splashes in the deck. 2. There should be nothing in standard to neatly replace Spike while at the same time making the deck better through that. 3. Obviously, Spike will be the only homebrewn card in the deck. I'm open to suggestions, but here's what I thought about so far. Spoiler:
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 8:53AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 30, 2012
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You should go back and read his edit.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 8:56AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 28, 2008
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Your deck is relying too much on spike to abuse those creatures. What should be happening is playing more heavy hitters with the fight ability of him. Needs more thragtusk too.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 8:59AM
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Your deck is relying too much on spike to abuse those creatures. What should be happening is playing more heavy hitters with the fight ability of him. Needs more thragtusk too.
The creatures are good by themselves, though.
And I have Thragtusks in the sideboard. Only problem about moving them maindeck is that I should increase the mana base from 22 to likely 24. Although I can do that rather easily by cutting Caravans, Geralfs would then become harder to cast.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 9:02AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 28, 2008
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Not good enough. Even with your low curve 22 lands seems stupid with such high colored cards like messanger.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 9:03AM
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Not good enough. Even with your low curve 22 lands seems stupid with such high colored cards like messanger.
12 are duals and I have fetches (two of them). I could also add in farseek.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 9:08AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 28, 2008
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You asked for help, I'm trying. If you're trying to do some crazy tier 1 thing, you're going to need much harder hitting creatures. You do know what decks are top tier in standard now yes? Also gatecrash is legal now if you want to look at that.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 9:12AM
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You asked for help, I'm trying. If you're trying to do some crazy tier 1 thing, you're going to need much harder hitting creatures. You do know what decks are top tier in standard now yes? Also gatecrash is legal now if you want to look at that.
I saw nothing in Gatecrash that would help a BG deck, honestly. Most good cards are nayan.
Ok, I'll try to tinker the deck in such a way as to allow me to maindeck thragtusk. But can you suggest what should I do in that case to still keep messenger in?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 9:13AM
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Dec 24, 2012
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I feel like, you need a really efficient sac engine. In the current standard environment I don't know what that engine would be... Edit: Killing Wave  is nice... lose creatures to boost his loyalty so you lose life or lose life to save the creatures. Also Altar Reap  , Bone Splinters  , and everything that universal sacs...
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 9:15AM
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I feel like, you need a really efficient sac engine. In the current standard environment I don't know what that engine would be...
It's primarily beatdown, not sac (hence Rancor). The idea is I get value from my creatures dying, but them being let to live is actually better, since I can alpha all the sooner.
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