And I've noticed that the story pretty much discusses the colour pie.
No, seriously.
There's a aligned tribe monkey tribe, a aligned tribe monkey tribe, a monkey tribe and a monkey tribe, with only missing.
And as if that wasn't enough, they seem to be framed conflict wise, with the aligned Kolloboo contrasting with the aligned Boksii and the aligned Patah with the aligned Dourahnah.
It scares me how much potential this could have as an MTG set.
So, since a long time I've known this book (and it's awesome soundtrack):en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Katurran_Odyss...And I've noticed that the story pretty much discusses the colour pie.No, seriously.There's a :u: aligned tribe monkey tribe, a :g: ali
The Hero: White (classical hero) The Lancer: Red or Black The Big Guy: Red or Green The Smart Guy: Blue The Chick: Red or Green
Five-Man BandIn Magic, that would seem to beThe Hero: White (classical hero)The Lancer: Red or BlackThe Big Guy: Red or GreenThe Smart Guy: BlueThe Chick: Red or Green
At the risk of fanning the flames, what makes 'the chick'?
In addition why can't Black be "the chick"?
Also, Shamsiel needs to stop monkeying around in these threads.
Hey, don't be down on him, it was a chimple question.
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I am so sorry.
Also, um, "Look how these four tribes perfectly correspond with the five colors of mana"? Huh?
In addition why can't Black be "the chick"?Also, Shamsiel needs to stop monkeying around in these threads.[/quote]Hey, don't be down on him, it was a chimple question....I am so sorry. Also, um, "Look how these four tribes perfectly correspond with t
At the risk of fanning the flames, what makes 'the chick'?
In addition why can't Black be "the chick"?
Also, Shamsiel needs to stop monkeying around in these threads.
Hey, don't be down on him, it was a chimple question.
...
I am so sorry.
Also, um, "Look how these four tribes perfectly correspond with the five colors of mana"? Huh?
It's more intended to be "Look how these four tribes perfectly correspond with four of the five colors of mana." Which works.
In addition why can't Black be "the chick"?Also, Shamsiel needs to stop monkeying around in these threads.[/quote]Hey, don't be down on him, it was a chimple question....I am so sorry. Also, um, "Look how these four tribes perfectly correspond with t
At the risk of fanning the flames, what makes 'the chick'?
In addition why can't Black be "the chick"?
Also, Shamsiel needs to stop monkeying around in these threads.
Hey, don't be down on him, it was a chimple question.
...
I am so sorry.
Also, um, "Look how these four tribes perfectly correspond with the five colors of mana"? Huh?
It's more intended to be "Look how these four tribes perfectly correspond with four of the five colors of mana." Which works.
"I like magic therefore I see magic similarities in places". It's actually the opposite of interesting. Also, magics 5 color wheel has been used forever.
In addition why can't Black be "the chick"?Also, Shamsiel needs to stop monkeying around in these threads.[/quote]Hey, don't be down on him, it was a chimple question....I am so sorry. Also, um, "Look how these four tribes perfectly correspond with t
If that was the case, wouldn't I flood these forums with examples?
The case I pointed is a flawless comparision. Seriously, bother to read the book and tell me straight to my face those monkey cultures aren't nigh direct representations of the basic philosophies of the pie.
If that was the case, wouldn't I flood these forums with examples?The case I pointed is a flawless comparision. Seriously, bother to read the book and tell me straight to my face those monkey cultures aren't nigh direct representations of the basic p
If that was the case, wouldn't I flood these forums with examples?
The case I pointed is a flawless comparision. Seriously, bother to read the book and tell me straight to my face those monkey cultures aren't nigh direct representations of the basic philosophies of the pie.
You mean a group of "cultures" each represent a different vague quality that is expressed in human beings therefore being relatable but separate? I'm shocked I tell you, absolutely astounded.
You mean a group of "cultures" each represent a different vague quality that is expressed in human beings therefore being relatable but separate? I'm shocked I tell you, absolutely astounded.
Yet in the vast overwhelming majority of said cases they either use more accurate psychological profiles or more "mix-and-match" attributes.
This? The cultures are even structured as you'd expect in a MTG set! The culture is nomadic, the one is scholar based, and the one is an empire. About the only "generic" one is the culture.
Also it seems rather hypocrital you see Daria as unlikable when you're twice the bitch.
Yet in the vast overwhelming majority of said cases they either use more accurate psychological profiles or more "mix-and-match" attributes.This? The cultures are even structured as you'd expect in a MTG set! The :w: culture is nomadic, the :u: one i
Yet in the vast overwhelming majority of said cases they either use more accurate psychological profiles or more "mix-and-match" attributes.
This? The cultures are even structured as you'd expect in a MTG set! The culture is nomadic, the one is scholar based, and the one is an empire. About the only "generic" one is the culture.
Also it seems rather hypocrital you see Daria as unlikable when you're twice the bitch.
I didn't exactly say Daria was unlikable. I said the show was masturbatory crap. It was very likable to its audience.
And yes, those are all incredibly generic things.
Listen, I'll stop calling your thread ideas bad when you stop making bad threads. Fair enough?
I didn't exactly say Daria was unlikable. I said the show was masturbatory crap. It was very likable to its audience.And yes, those are all incredibly generic things.Listen, I'll stop calling your thread ideas bad when you stop making bad threads. Fa
I gotta side with Jivan here. This is incredibly contrived. If there were at least five groups, sure, I could maybe see this working. But in what universe do I "expect" white to be nomadic and black to be an empire? Sure, those colors CAN be like that, but they could just as easily be the COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
It's just way too tenuous to even be a bizarre coincidence. It's just one of the normal coincidences that bubbles up from the noise of culture or the collective unconscious.
I gotta side with Jivan here. This is incredibly contrived. If there were at least five groups, sure, I could maybe see this working. But in what universe do I "expect" white to be nomadic and black to be an empire? Sure, those colors CAN be like tha
I'm talking both philosophy wise and aesthetics. If it was a selfish/self-aware tribe of nomads and a moral empire, I'd not be making these comparations, but that's not the case.
To say nothing of the other two cases, which are not even major cultural ideals (while nature is contrasted with civilisations, it is rarely contrasted directly with intellectual thought beyond Hulk-style mentality. Here? There's a tribe that embodies 's community and preservation aspects with 's rational and more emotionally stunted side)
I'm talking both philosophy wise and aesthetics. If it was a selfish/self-aware tribe of nomads and a moral empire, I'd not be making these comparations, but that's not the case.To say nothing of the other two cases, which are not even major cultural
Yep, I can't argue that point! I have absolutely no idea what that last post of yours was even supposed to mean. But uh, sick burn, dawg? I guess? I'm positively roasting in my sarcophagus that I've apparently built for myself. Dante and Virgil are looking down on me just shaking their heads. If this contrapposto thing gets any more severe I'm going to look like classical statuary.
Yep, I can't argue that point! I have absolutely no idea what that last post of yours was even supposed to mean. But uh, sick burn, dawg? I guess? I'm positively roasting in my sarcophagus that I've apparently built for myself. Dante and Virgil are l
How does nomadic automatically != orderly? A nomadic society can still have rules, laws, hierarchy, etc.
I didn't mean that nomadic cultures are inherently non-orderly. I was just pointing out that between moving around endlessly and being installed in one place, just that characteristic taken in a vacuum, the former looks less orderly than the latter.
Again, in a vacuum. There could very well be a full-white nomadic culture, but nomadism isn't a characteristic of white.
I didn't mean that nomadic cultures are inherently non-orderly. I was just pointing out that between moving around endlessly and being installed in one place, just that characteristic taken in a vacuum, the former looks less orderly than the latter.A
There could very well be a full-white nomadic culture, but nomadism isn't a characteristic of white.
There have been. The nomads of Otaria and the Kor of Zendikar stand out most strongly in my mind.
The communityness of it all seems split between green and white, but its probably easier to justify nomadism on the plains than the forest because the forest provides more opportunities for permanent residence (lumber to build houses with, etc).
There have been.The nomads of Otaria and the Kor of Zendikar stand out most strongly in my mind. The communityness of it all seems split between green and white, but its probably easier to justify nomadism on the plains than the forest because the f
In addition why can't Black be "the chick"?Also, Shamsiel needs to stop monkeying around in these threads.[/quote]Hey, don't be down on him, it was a chimple question....I am so sorry. [/quote]You should be. Chimps aren't monkeys.
There could very well be a full-white nomadic culture, but nomadism isn't a characteristic of white.
There have been. The nomads of Otaria and the Kor of Zendikar stand out most strongly in my mind.
The communityness of it all seems split between green and white, but its probably easier to justify nomadism on the plains than the forest because the forest provides more opportunities for permanent residence (lumber to build houses with, etc).
I don't know. Nomadism kind of works against order. Community is green. If you want to establish laws and everything, you're better off with a permanent settlement than a moving village. Again, in a vacuum, because I know nomads can be white.
One thing we can agree upon, at least, is that nomadism isn't so white that you'd say "they're even nomads!"
There have been.The nomads of Otaria and the Kor of Zendikar stand out most strongly in my mind. The communityness of it all seems split between green and white, but its probably easier to justify nomadism on the plains than the forest because the f
I don't know. Nomadism kind of works against order. Community is green. If you want to establish laws and everything, you're better off with a permanent settlement than a moving village. Again, in a vacuum, because I know nomads can be white.
Not an anthropologist, so I might be completely off-base here, but I can't think of a reason why a nomadic society couldn't have clearly established laws, or even why a permanent location would be strictly better.
Not an anthropologist, so I might be completely off-base here, but I can't think of a reason why a nomadic society couldn't have clearly established laws, or even why a permanent location would be strictly better.
I think what Dilleux is getting at is that there's no particularly strong semiotic association between The Magic Color White and Nomadic Societies, so it doesn't make sense to point to nomadism in and of itself as evidence of how white a civilization is.
I think what Dilleux is getting at is that there's no particularly strong semiotic association between The Magic Color White and Nomadic Societies, so it doesn't make sense to point to nomadism in and of itself as evidence of how white a civilization
I don't know. Nomadism kind of works against order. Community is green. If you want to establish laws and everything, you're better off with a permanent settlement than a moving village. Again, in a vacuum, because I know nomads can be white.
Not an anthropologist, so I might be completely off-base here, but I can't think of a reason why a nomadic society couldn't have clearly established laws, or even why a permanent location would be strictly better.
Nomadism tend to imply pragmatism. If you're constantly moving in temporary shelters, you probably have less time to devote to philosophy and moral order. Your life being less stable, you'd have a tendency to have less stable morals (more flexibility, less rigidity). I don't see a nomad people having a strict hierarchy and rigorous decision making. It would be more of a "this is right, this is wrong, let's see what this is about" than a formal procedure for criminals, for example. You wouldn't have prisons, lawyers, a police force. Criminal matters would be more of a lynch funfest or a "the elder(s) will decide" than a rigorous trial.
Not an anthropologist, so I might be completely off-base here, but I can't think of a reason why a nomadic society couldn't have clearly established laws, or even why a permanent location would be strictly better. [/quote]Nomadism tend to imply pragm
I think what Dilleux is getting at is that there's no particularly strong semiotic association between The Magic Color White and Nomadic Societies, so it doesn't make sense to point to nomadism in and of itself as evidence of how white a civilization is.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are , yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.
Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore than , but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either and secondarily . The monkey tribe I use as an example is quite socially strict for a tribe of wandering people, so they are more than MTG's nomads.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are :w:, yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore :w: than :g:, but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either :w: and secondarily :r:. The monkey tribe I
I think what Dilleux is getting at is that there's no particularly strong semiotic association between The Magic Color White and Nomadic Societies, so it doesn't make sense to point to nomadism in and of itself as evidence of how white a civilization is.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are , yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.
Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore than , but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either and secondarily . The monkey tribe I use as an example is quite socially strict for a tribe of wandering people, so they are more than MTG's nomads.
Is there really enough white nomad cards to say that it's firmly rooted in white? Come on.
Red? What's red in nomadism?
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are :w:, yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore :w: than :g:, but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either :w: and secondarily :r:. The monkey tribe I
I think what Dilleux is getting at is that there's no particularly strong semiotic association between The Magic Color White and Nomadic Societies, so it doesn't make sense to point to nomadism in and of itself as evidence of how white a civilization is.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are , yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.
Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore than , but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either and secondarily . The monkey tribe I use as an example is quite socially strict for a tribe of wandering people, so they are more than MTG's nomads.
Is there really enough white nomad cards to say that it's firmly rooted in white? Come on.
Red? What's red in nomadism?
I haven't checked but yes I think most of the nomads are white and then red.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are :w:, yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore :w: than :g:, but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either :w: and secondarily :r:. The monkey tribe I
I think what Dilleux is getting at is that there's no particularly strong semiotic association between The Magic Color White and Nomadic Societies, so it doesn't make sense to point to nomadism in and of itself as evidence of how white a civilization is.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are , yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.
Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore than , but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either and secondarily . The monkey tribe I use as an example is quite socially strict for a tribe of wandering people, so they are more than MTG's nomads.
Is there really enough white nomad cards to say that it's firmly rooted in white? Come on.
Red? What's red in nomadism?
See for yourself in the card lists.
Only two nomads are anything other than or , and the former has the most.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are :w:, yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore :w: than :g:, but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either :w: and secondarily :r:. The monkey tribe I
I did an independent study of Nomadic cultures while I was in college. Some of them were actually VERY in line with . I think sometimes people have the wrong view of nomads and what a nomadic culture actually does. There are some nomadic tribes, especially in desert regions like the Sahara, that have a very organized, orderly structure. They don't go from place to place by luck or happenstance, and they don't just pick up and leave whenever they feel like it. They often have very specific schedules, moving from one oasis to another in a set pattern so as to not wear out an already-fragile oasis-ecosystem.
However, while I feel this point is at least mildly interesting, it is, ultimately, beside the point. The issue here is very specifically whether or not =nomad. It doesn't. A nomadic culture can, has, and does support a philosophy, but the two are not, in my mind, inherently connected. certainly fits into the common interpretation of nomadism, but there's no reason , or even can't support nomadism.
That's what I've got on this one.
I did an independent study of Nomadic cultures while I was in college. Some of them were actually VERY in line with . I think sometimes people have the wrong view of nomads and what a nomadic culture actually does. There are some nomadic tribes, espe
I think what Dilleux is getting at is that there's no particularly strong semiotic association between The Magic Color White and Nomadic Societies, so it doesn't make sense to point to nomadism in and of itself as evidence of how white a civilization is.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are , yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.
Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore than , but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either and secondarily . The monkey tribe I use as an example is quite socially strict for a tribe of wandering people, so they are more than MTG's nomads.
Is there really enough white nomad cards to say that it's firmly rooted in white? Come on.
Red? What's red in nomadism?
See for yourself in the card lists.
Only two nomads are anything other than or , and the former has the most.
How many nomads are there in total?
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are :w:, yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore :w: than :g:, but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either :w: and secondarily :r:. The monkey tribe I
I think what Dilleux is getting at is that there's no particularly strong semiotic association between The Magic Color White and Nomadic Societies, so it doesn't make sense to point to nomadism in and of itself as evidence of how white a civilization is.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are , yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.
Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore than , but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either and secondarily . The monkey tribe I use as an example is quite socially strict for a tribe of wandering people, so they are more than MTG's nomads.
Is there really enough white nomad cards to say that it's firmly rooted in white? Come on.
Red? What's red in nomadism?
See for yourself in the card lists.
Only two nomads are anything other than or , and the former has the most.
How many nomads are there in total?
29 nomads, 20 pure nomads.
@Raven: Indeed, though I'm not saying =nomad, I'm saying that the already VERY Patah tribe is complimented by the fact that it is nomad-inspired.
Considering that 89% of all nomad cards are :w:, yes, it something at best impossible to ignore.Personally, I don't see nomads are being anymore :w: than :g:, but as far as MTG is concerned, they are either :w: and secondarily :r:. The monkey tribe I
Yes, that's clearly enough to say we have a clear precedent that nomadism in MTG is inherently white. 29 nomads! Incredible, especially since a great proportion of them come from the same set, where there was a specific culture that was nomadic and happened to be white!
Yes, that's clearly enough to say we have a clear precedent that nomadism in MTG is inherently white. 29 nomads! Incredible, especially since a great proportion of them come from the same set, where there was a specific culture that was nomadic and h
I don't think that the concpet of nomadicsim is inherently white, but I could see how a nomadic lifestyle could lead to a greater acceptance of rules and tradition as it's the only thing holding the culture together. Raven's point about ecosystems could factor in here too. Political relations with other cultures might have something to do with it too.
As for the precedent of white nomads? I don't think it maks for good evidence. It's kind of like how there are a disporpornately large amount of soliders in blue compared to what we'd expect. One or two sets ran with the theme of and aven soldiers and that skewed the statistics. In the case of nomads, the dearth of nomads since their last big appearance (and a reorganizing of the creature type structure) has left the statistical skewering uncorrected.
I don't think that the concpet of nomadicsim is inherently white, but I could see how a nomadic lifestyle could lead to a greater acceptance of rules and tradition as it's the only thing holding the culture together. Raven's point about ecosystems co
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. I think sometimes people have the wrong view of nomads and what a nomadic culture actually does. There are some nomadic tribes, especially in desert regions like the Sahara, that have a very organized, orderly structure. They don't go from place to place by luck or happenstance, and they don't just pick up and leave whenever they feel like it. They often have very specific schedules, moving from one oasis to another in a set pattern so as to not wear out an already-fragile oasis-ecosystem.
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can't support nomadism. 
