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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 3:01PM #1
thoughtcontrol
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If my oppenent plays a Thragtusk and I counter with an Essence Backlash , would it be correct that they never get the 5 life from him and they would take 5 damage becase of my counter, and they also would not get the 3/3 token? All this because the tusk was never actually allowed to resolve correct?

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 3:08PM #2
Enigma256
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correct

for either of Thragtusk 's trigger to trigger it has to first enter the battlefield
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 3:08PM #3
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Jan 31, 2013 -- 3:01PM, thoughtcontrol wrote:

If my oppenent plays a Thragtusk and I counter with an Essence Backlash , would it be correct that they never get the 5 life from him and they would take 5 damage becase of my counter, and they also would not get the 3/3 token? All this because the tusk was never actually allowed to resolve correct?

thanks for the help in advance




Correct. It would move from the stack to the graveyard. Since it was never on the battlefield, neither ability will trigger.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 3:09PM #4
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You're correct. No life gain and no 3/3 token.



The Thragtusk spell was countered, therefore it never entered the battlefield (never became a permanent), it went from the stack (where spells exists) to the graveyeard. So Thragtusk's two abilities didn't trigger.


And of course, your opponent is dealt 5 damage from Essence Backlash. This part doesn't even care if the creature was actually countered or not (even if the creature spell was Loxodon Smither or cast with Cavern of Souls 's mana, the creature isn't countered but Essence Backlash's damage is still dealt).

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 3:12PM #5
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Note that if something triggers when a spell is cast (rather than when a permanent "enters the battlefield"), then countering the spell wont stop the trigger (in fact, the trigger condition has already been met, and the triggered ability itself will already be on the stack before you can respond with your counter).

For example, if your opponent had a Wurm's Tooth and cast Thragtusk, he would gain 1 life even if you countered it. Replace Wurm's Tooth with Soul Warden Essence Warden and he would not gain life.

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May 23, 2013 -- 10:32AM, zammm wrote:

May 23, 2013 -- 10:06AM, Adroitmind@gmail.com wrote:

Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?

Zis iz a sign uf deep psychological troma, buried in zer subconscious mind. By keelink himzelf, Kamahl iz physically expressink hiz feelinks uf self-disgust ova hiz desire for hiz muzzer. [/GermanPsychologistVoice]


Jan 5, 2013 -- 9:32PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:20AM, LMTRK wrote:

That makes no sense to me.

If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?

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Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch . YAY COLOR IDENTITY


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Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:36AM, LMTRK wrote:

You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.


I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 4:17PM #6
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thank you all very much that helps a lot.

   
   
   
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 4:28PM #7
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Jan 31, 2013 -- 3:12PM, LMTRK wrote:

Soul Warden


my OCD wants this to be Essence Warden , so we remain in mono-green

thank you

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 2:13AM #8
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Jan 31, 2013 -- 4:28PM, Enigma256 wrote:

Jan 31, 2013 -- 3:12PM, LMTRK wrote:

Soul Warden


my OCD wants this to be Essence Warden , so we remain in mono-green


thank you



No! Make it a Soul's Attendant , so we can talk endlessly about missed triggers!

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 4:18AM #9
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Feb 1, 2013 -- 2:13AM, will_dice wrote:

Make it a Soul's Attendant , so we can talk endlessly about missed triggers!


I share the feeling!

«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»

Sounds familiar?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 5:22AM #10
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Jan 31, 2013 -- 4:28PM, Enigma256 wrote:

Jan 31, 2013 -- 3:12PM, LMTRK wrote:

Soul Warden


my OCD wants this to be Essence Warden , so we remain in mono-green

thank you



Edited.

(TBH I almost put Essence Warden in the first time, but I wasnt 100% sure on the card wording, since it was from before I started playing)

I will try to remember for future.

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May 23, 2013 -- 10:32AM, zammm wrote:

May 23, 2013 -- 10:06AM, Adroitmind@gmail.com wrote:

Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?

Zis iz a sign uf deep psychological troma, buried in zer subconscious mind. By keelink himzelf, Kamahl iz physically expressink hiz feelinks uf self-disgust ova hiz desire for hiz muzzer. [/GermanPsychologistVoice]


Jan 5, 2013 -- 9:32PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:20AM, LMTRK wrote:

That makes no sense to me.

If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?

~ Tim   


Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch . YAY COLOR IDENTITY


Oct 26, 2012 -- 9:56PM, zammm wrote:

Oct 26, 2012 -- 12:24AM, Raeoran wrote:

Is algebra really that difficult?

Survey says yes.


Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:59AM, Novacat wrote:

Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:36AM, LMTRK wrote:

You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.


I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.

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