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5 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:29AM
#11
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2011
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The problem is, under normal enchant-world circumstances, the card had the world supertype even before it entered the battlefield. It had the world supertype in your deck, and it had the world supertype in your hand. That is most likely why they added the (seemingly-redundant) "on the battlefield" clause - because without it people would be left to wonder if the delimiter on how long the card has had the world supertype was bounded by how long it has been a permanent.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:58AM
#12
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Date Joined:
Oct 29, 2007
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but the rule says we're talking about the permanent that had it the shortest amount of time, not the card that had it the shortest amount of time.
Permanents only exist on the battlefield and the object isn't really related to the objects elsewhere that the same card may have represented.
Yes, but as it is now it's horribly worded. It can be parsed badly.
all except the one that has been a permanent (object) [with the world supertype] (characteristic) on the battlefield for the shortest amount of time
if you remove the characteristic modifier you get
all except the one that has been a permanent (object) on the battlefield for the shortest amount of time
which is not the intended functionality because it's not important how long the permanent has been on the field, it's how long it's been on the field while having the world supertype
perhaps the following is clearer?
all except the permanent of supertype world that has had supertype world for the shortest amount of time while on the battlefield
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5 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:19PM
#13
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
Date Joined:
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lf you remove the characteristic modifier, you get something that doesn't care about characteristics. It does have that modifier, though.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:44PM
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Jun 21, 2006
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The rule was created a long time ago, when there was no possibility for a permanent to gain the World supertype: it concerned itself only with World cards entering the Battlefield and pushing out older Worlds. As such, ONLY Timestamp mattered. I see no reason to believe they changed that.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 1:07PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2011
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As far as I know, it's been possible for a permanent to gain the World supertype since at least 1999. Opalescence  + Vesuvan Doppelganger  + Concordant Crossroads  = My Vesuvan Doppelganger, already in play, can become a 1/1 Blue Concordant Crossroads at the beginning of my upkeep.
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