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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 7:32AM
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 7:35AM
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Seems OK. The last object that came in play should be the one to survive, unless it entered simultaneously with another.
EDIT: forgot about rule 613.6g
But your title has the wrong rule number.
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 7:39AM
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I read:
704.5m
If two or more permanents have the supertype world, all except the one that has been a permanent with the world supertype on the battlefield for the shortest amount of time are put into their owners' graveyards. In the event of a tie for the shortest amount of time, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "world rule.""
That, to me, means that it doesn't matter how long they've been on the battlefield, it matters how long they've been permanents with the world supertype. Assuming at least two permanents are becoming Concordant Crossroadses at this instant (and I believe that's automatic, as Opalescence is one and Enchanted evening is one), I believe it is a tie for "shortest amount of time it has been a world supertype permanent on the battlefield", and all go poof.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 7:42AM
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That, to me, means that it doesn't matter how long they've been on the battlefield, it matters how long they've been permanents with the world supertype. Assuming at least two permanents are becoming Concordant Crossroadses at this instant (and I believe that's automatic, as Opalescence is one and Enchanted evening is one), I believe it is a tie for "shortest amount of time it has been a world supertype permanent on the battlefield", and all go poof.
If that were so, the rule should read
«...all except the one that has been a permanent with the world supertype on the battlefield for the shortest amount of time ...»
because «been a permanent» and «on the battlefield» are redundant.
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 7:44AM
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Wrong rule number. Do you use an older version of the Comp Rules?
704.5m If two or more permanents have the supertype world, all except the one that has been a permanent with the world supertype on the battlefield for the shortest amount of time are put into their owners’ graveyards. In the event of a tie for the shortest amount of time, all are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the "world rule."
Since Mirrorweave gives all permanents (except Opalescence) the world supertype, they all are "permanents with the world supertype on the battlefield for the shortest amount of time", so they all go to the graveyard. Except if Enchanted Evening is the only permanent affected by Mirrorweave, then it will be left on the field, together with Opalescence, which stays regardlress as it does not turn itself into a creature. (Further exceptions are aura permanents not enchanting a permanent, like the curses, again, because they are not affected by Opalescence.)
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 7:45AM
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If that were so, the rule should read
«...all except the one that has been a permanent with the world supertype on the battlefield for the shortest amount of time ...»
because «been a permanent» and «on the battlefield» are redundant.
It's poorly worded eitrher way. If it was not meant to measure how long it has been a world supertype, it should have been worded "all except the one that is a permanent with the world supertype that has been on the battlefield for the shortest amount of time..."
Putting the ""That has been" before the clause about world supertype sure implies that the duration of its having been a world supertype is relevant.
Edit: doh, didn't notice that Opalescnece doesn't creatureize itself, so it there would need to be another permanent other than those three on the field for there to be a tie.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 7:54AM
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It is poorly worded and the exact intent of the rule remains unsure.
I've been convinced for very long that both Being World and Timestamp need be considered to break ties. Guess they should clarify this. In the meantime, I'm tempted to agree with you guys: perhaps only Being World counts.
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 8:19AM
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all except the permanent that has had the world supertype for the shortest amount of time
much clearer wording
as to the thread title I thought 'm' but typed 'h'
MtG Rules Advisor &
Goth/Industrial/EBM/Indie/Alternative/80's-Wave DJDJ VortexDCI Certified Rules Advisor from July 14, 2009 to July 14, 2012 DCI #5209514320 Wit found in Rules Q&ARPJesus: "Man, screw the rules, I'll play a game of 2HG Archenemy Planechase Emperor EDH draft yet. Once I figure out the rules for it..." Chaikov: "Of course, casual Magic may be played any way your Pokemon group agrees on..." and "It's not logic. It's Magic!" GainsBanding: "I only play online. The Magic Online shuffler is AWESOME!" Ikegami: "one might think [adult cats] would make excellent tokens. The issue, though, is that they are very hard to exile. They return to the battlefield more often than an undying creature." Astarael7: "Does 121.1 imply that players are supposed to wear their poison counters?" Bimmerbot: "If you move the wrong way and [the poison counters] fall, it's a game rule violation" Helluminatus: "Just remember, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but the oracle text says creature - Bunny , then by god, it's a bunny." MadCow21: "Who are you and what have you done with the real Chaikov?" My Wife's Makeup Artist Page <-- cool stuff - check it out
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 10:27AM
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
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That may make the rule clearer for this particular case, but it makes it less clear forthe normal case of one world enchantment being cast to replace another.It's not intuitive to think of entering the battlefield as the time when it starts having a supertype.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:18AM
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Oct 29, 2007
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I don't agree, send them all to the yard, except the one that has had the world super type the shortest amount of time.
I have two objects on the field that have world supertype, which one has had the world super type the shortest amount of time? The one that just entered, seems pretty obvious to me.
This really should be moved to Rules T&T (whistles for an ORC)
MtG Rules Advisor &
Goth/Industrial/EBM/Indie/Alternative/80's-Wave DJDJ VortexDCI Certified Rules Advisor from July 14, 2009 to July 14, 2012 DCI #5209514320 Wit found in Rules Q&ARPJesus: "Man, screw the rules, I'll play a game of 2HG Archenemy Planechase Emperor EDH draft yet. Once I figure out the rules for it..." Chaikov: "Of course, casual Magic may be played any way your Pokemon group agrees on..." and "It's not logic. It's Magic!" GainsBanding: "I only play online. The Magic Online shuffler is AWESOME!" Ikegami: "one might think [adult cats] would make excellent tokens. The issue, though, is that they are very hard to exile. They return to the battlefield more often than an undying creature." Astarael7: "Does 121.1 imply that players are supposed to wear their poison counters?" Bimmerbot: "If you move the wrong way and [the poison counters] fall, it's a game rule violation" Helluminatus: "Just remember, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but the oracle text says creature - Bunny , then by god, it's a bunny." MadCow21: "Who are you and what have you done with the real Chaikov?" My Wife's Makeup Artist Page <-- cool stuff - check it out
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