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4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2013 - 3:44PM #21
Doaj
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Feb 4, 2013 -- 3:36PM, sperry wrote:

Feb 4, 2013 -- 12:42PM, Doaj wrote:

That should cover my daily dose of ridiculous crap said without enough indicative sarcasm over the Internet. Core sets are "mild" and bad cards, like Ajani, Caller of the Pride, Thragtusk, Thundermaw Hellkite, Sublime Archangel, Knight of Glory, Flinthoof Boar, Duress, Mutilate; I just- what? I must be new to this game, because I think M13 has more noteworthy cards than any other single set in standard.






They put some chase cards at the top to sell packs.  The commons and uncommons are full of toned down and vanilla effects.  This is not a revelation, it's the way they intentionally design the sets.  So, basically, you don't know what you're talking about.




M13 has better commons and uncommons than any other set in standard, too.  Searing Spear, Farseek, Vampire Nighthawk, Rancor, Acidic Slime, Arbor Elf, Augur of Bolas, Knight of Glory, Knight of Infamy, Duress, Elixir of Immortality, Reliquary Tower, Revive, Rewind, Tormod's Crypt; they make every set to be draftable, so there are going to be cards included purely for drafting purposes.  And not having unique keywords or multicolor cards clearly doesn't make the set any weaker.  M13 is a knockout.  Have you looked at commons and uncommons from INN block recently?  Those cards are horrible.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2013 - 3:55PM #22
ilvmymustang
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Feb 4, 2013 -- 3:36PM, sperry wrote:

Feb 4, 2013 -- 12:42PM, Doaj wrote:

That should cover my daily dose of ridiculous crap said without enough indicative sarcasm over the Internet. Core sets are "mild" and bad cards, like Ajani, Caller of the Pride, Thragtusk, Thundermaw Hellkite, Sublime Archangel, Knight of Glory, Flinthoof Boar, Duress, Mutilate; I just- what? I must be new to this game, because I think M13 has more noteworthy cards than any other single set in standard.






They put some chase cards at the top to sell packs.  The commons and uncommons are full of toned down and vanilla effects.  This is not a revelation, it's the way they intentionally design the sets.  So, basically, you don't know what you're talking about.




And by saying that, you've outted yourself as an idiot.  One could easily ask how many "chase" commons or uncommons are in ANY set?  Rares are always going to be well.....more rare than other cards, and more powerful as well.  

Off the top of my head, cards like duress, farseek, flames of the firebrand, and elvish visionary make up a solid foundation of many decks.  Knight of infamy and glory are solid cards.  Krenko's command and such token producers see play in standard.  Show me a black deck that isn't using murder right now.....Pacifism is usually under rated, but sees some play, as did arrest when it was legal.  

Rancor is heralded as one of the best enchantments of ALL time....and guess what?  Its uncommon in M13.  

It may not be big at the moment, as the meta is very aggro right now, but rewind used to be an amazing control enabler, and when control swings back in favor, it will see play.  Serra Angel is classic, and there ARE better choices out right now (restoration angel jumps to mind) she's a great budget sub.  

Unsummon and boomerang have both been  staples of core sets in the past, as molten rain and stone rain were in their day.  

So there ya go....plenty of excellent choices past and present....and not one of them rares or mythics. 

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2013 - 5:11PM #23
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A rare Rancor would have caused riots.

Show me a rare anti-creature instant that isn't used over murder by the affiliated colors.

I run Abrupt Decay in my BG zombies deck.
It kills Liliana of the Veil , Oblivion Ring , Detention Sphere , all the Keyrunes, Rest in Peace , Dreg Mangler , Geralf's Messenger , Silverblade Paladin ... and generally every card that hinders my zombies from winning turn 4 or 5. 

For rare spells, look at Rakdos' Return and Sphinx's Revelations: X card advantage.

Rare spells would likely "Destroy All Creatures" instead of merely destroying one.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2013 - 8:37PM #24
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Feb 4, 2013 -- 5:11PM, Frostraven wrote:

A rare Rancor would have caused riots.

Show me a rare anti-creature instant that isn't used over murder by the affiliated colors.

I run Abrupt Decay in my BG zombies deck.
It kills Liliana of the Veil , Oblivion Ring , Detention Sphere , all the Keyrunes, Rest in Peace , Dreg Mangler , Geralf's Messenger , Silverblade Paladin ... and generally every card that hinders my zombies from winning turn 4 or 5. 

For rare spells, look at Rakdos' Return and Sphinx's Revelations: X card advantage.

Rare spells would likely "Destroy All Creatures" instead of merely destroying one.





Yeah...that's all great....except the conversation was about non-rare cards, and how this core set sucks.  Yes, everyone loves playing verdict and revelation.  They're both rares.  

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2013 - 11:54PM #25
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Feb 4, 2013 -- 5:11PM, Frostraven wrote:

Show me a rare anti-creature instant that isn't used over murder by the affiliated colors.



Well, Magmaquake hasn't seen much play.  Abrupt Decay does, but it's not particularly good against the most dangerous creatures in standard right now.

And that's it.  Those are the only rare instants that deal with creatures.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 12:44AM #26
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Feb 4, 2013 -- 11:54PM, EyeballFrog wrote:

Feb 4, 2013 -- 5:11PM, Frostraven wrote:

Show me a rare anti-creature instant that isn't used over murder by the affiliated colors.



Well, Magmaquake hasn't seen much play.  Abrupt Decay does, but it's not particularly good against the most dangerous creatures in standard right now.

And that's it.  Those are the only rare instants that deal with creatures.




Aurelia's Fury

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 2:59AM #27
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Feb 2, 2013 -- 1:02AM, Evil_Tactics wrote:

as long as there's new cards added like a legendary jellyfish creature, or a jellyfish-like planeswalker, or a tribal jellyfish card, or even an old jellyfish reprint like Man-o'-War , I'll take it.



...mmm... foiled man-o-war...




Mistform Ultimus ?


   
   
   
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 4:38PM #28
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Feb 5, 2013 -- 2:59AM, Earthdawn wrote:



Mistform Ultimus ?




From now on, whenever I cast a creature that is all creature types, I'll choose one really weird one and say that it's that.  It's everything else too, but hey...

"Ok, so I cast Mistform Ultimus .  He's a 3/3 albacore tuna illusion..."



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4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2013 - 4:50PM #29
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Feb 5, 2013 -- 4:38PM, idrinkyourmilkshake wrote:

Feb 5, 2013 -- 2:59AM, Earthdawn wrote:



Mistform Ultimus ?




From now on, whenever I cast a creature that is all creature types, I'll choose one really weird one and say that it's that.  It's everything else too, but hey...

"Ok, so I cast Mistform Ultimus .  He's a 3/3 albacore tuna illusion..."


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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 12:40AM #30
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Then I make him a a coward/wombat/juggernaut.  LOL
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