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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 7:01PM #1
IceMetalPunk
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If a custom ability copies a modal spell, can it let the caster change the mode? I know rule 706.2 of the CR says modes are copied, and 706.10c refers specifically to allowing changed targets, but is it possible for a custom ability to say "you may choose new targets and new modes for the copy" and still be within the rules?
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 7:02PM #2
FezzHead
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There's currently no rules support for something like that since no card does that, but I don't see any reason why you couldn't include that ability in a custom set.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 7:05PM #3
IceMetalPunk
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Okay, well, that's good . I need it for a cycle of sorceries in my Cetibus set that allow you to copy them multiple times. One of those has two possible modes, and I'd like the caster to be able to choose the mode for each copy, so...yeah. I guess I have to explicitly state that, which makes the rules text a bit longer, but oh well.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 7:10PM #4
Enigma256
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word it so that modes are chosen before targets
otherwise you will run into issues
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 12:21AM #5
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What could be done is something like this:
"Exile target instant/sorcery spell. Copy the card and cast it without paying its mana cost."

Not exactly what you'd like but it's still kind of simple.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 1:00AM #6
ikegami
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Something to consider: What happens if you choose a mode with no legal targets? (There is a specific rule to handle changing targets when there are no legal targets: the targets don't change.)
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 7:09AM #7
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On a similar note, you should, if possible, word the card so that choosing a new mode requires choosing new targets. It would be odd if you chose a targeted mode for your Esper Charm , then changed it to an untargeted mode without changing its target.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 8:37PM #8
IceMetalPunk
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Ugh, I really don't want to have to make the rules text extremely long just for such an intuitively simple concept... Does this work?: "Copy the spell. You may choose a new mode for the copy.If you do, choose new targets forthe copy. Otherwise you may choose new targets for the copy."

Ew. That's so long an inelegant. There must be a better way...
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 9:00PM #9
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you could probably get away with "You may choose a new mode for the copy. Choose new targets for it"
if the spell and/or the mode has no targets the last sentence will simply do nothing
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 31, 2013 - 5:48AM #10
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If you want simplicity, Zoidberg's Exile, Copy and cast is your best bet.
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