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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:37AM
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- Gladiator
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What happens if I exile a flip creature or one that transforms?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:41AM
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or Gideon?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:43AM
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I would use this card to make a 15/15 token with Trostani, Selesnya's Voice  's abilities. Then I would tap it every turn to make more of these crazy Lammasu  tokens. After a while I would just start producing straight Emrakul  clones to make use of that Annihalator ability. Hehehhe. Getting back to the card at hand I think that you should only get to have one type of token produced by the vat out at one time. vIt's just too confusng otherwise. You could be subtle about it though. For instance the vat doesn't untap as until its token leaves the battlefield or the token is legendary, or even you have to unattatch the cards from the vat after you reference them (but then you should require a minimum number of attatched cards to keep it from just being a one shot Mimic Vat  ).
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:47AM
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an experiment must be repeatable
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:50AM
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Amazing things start to happen when you animate noncreatures and exile them. Bolas the bear sculptor
That would be easily solved though by making the token producing ability specifically take the values from attatched "creature cards". Either way it would stop being a creature was it was exiled right? I think that means you couldn't choose Darksteel Relic  's power or toughness since once it's not a creature it doesn't have one to choose. If only March of the Machines effected exiled cards...
Of course nothing on the card stops you from taking Darksteel Relic 's text box as one of your chosen values.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:56AM
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Amazing things start to happen when you animate noncreatures and exile them. Bolas the bear sculptor
That would be easily solved though by making the token producing ability specifically take the values from attatched "creature cards". Either way it would stop being a creature was it was exiled right? I think that means you couldn't choose Darksteel Relic 's power or toughness since once it's not a creature it doesn't have one to choose. If only March of the Machines effected exiled cards...
Of course nothing on the card stops you from taking Darksteel Relic 's text box as one of your chosen values.
If you're choosing a noncreature card from exile, the only options are the text box. Shouldn't break the game or anything, but can be very fun.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 12:50PM
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I can finally merge Nicol Bolas  with Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker  into one cohesive whole! Or maybe Gideon's Avenger  will emulate his mentor (and finally be able to avenge him) once I kill kill them both off for vat fodder. Or wait for it... Eldrazi walkers! Combine Bolas and Emrakul to produce the most powerful villain in all MTG.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 1:26PM
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What happens if I exile a flip creature or one that transforms?
same thing that would happen if you revealed one to sapling of colfenor  . you use its default face's values.
or Gideon?
the rules can handle non-planeswalkers with loyalty abilities now.
Amazing things start to happen when you animate noncreatures and exile them. Bolas the bear sculptor
That would be easily solved though by making the token producing ability specifically take the values from attatched "creature cards". Either way it would stop being a creature was it was exiled right? I think that means you couldn't choose Darksteel Relic 's power or toughness since once it's not a creature it doesn't have one to choose. If only March of the Machines effected exiled cards...
Of course nothing on the card stops you from taking Darksteel Relic 's text box as one of your chosen values.
If you're choosing a noncreature card from exile, the only options are the text box. Shouldn't break the game or anything, but can be very fun.
I may be misremembering the nature of linked abilities, but I believe as worded, I could use a mizzium transreliquat  to copy a panoptic mirror  , exile time warp  , then turn it into this, exile a grizzly bears  , then make myself a 2/2 Bear Mutant with "Target player takes an extra turn after this one."
so this card would force the game to define what happens if a permanent has a spell's ability (best solution: nothing.) but I'm okay with that.
120.6. Some effects replace card draws.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 1:28PM
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Mar 23, 2006
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nope
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607.2a If an object has an activated or triggered ability printed on it that instructs a player to exile one or more cards and an ability printed on it that refers either to "the exiled cards" or to cards "exiled with [this object]," these abilities are linked. The second ability refers only to cards in the exile zone that were put there as a result of an instruction to exile them in the first ability.
120.6. Some effects replace card draws.
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