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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 3:57PM #1
Mithroy
Date Joined: Nov 3, 2009
Posts: 105

Commander (1)
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind


Creatures (26)
Consuming Aberration
Chancellor of the Spires
Nemesis of Reason
Geth, Lord of the Vault
Szadek, Lord of Secrets
Dreamborn Muse
Dimir Infiltrator
Body Double
Sakashima the Impostor
Phyrexian Metamorph
Evil Twin
Dimir Doppelganger
Jace's Archivist
Mindleech Mass
Wrexial, the Risen Deep
Avatar of Woe
Butcher of Malakir
Havengul Lich
Necrotic Ooze
Riddlekeeper
Undercity Informer
Sheoldred, Whispering One
Diluvian Primordial
Sepulchral Primordial
Ghastlord of Fugue
Braids, Cabal Minion


Instants (10)
Dimir Charm
Psychic Strike
Induce Paranoia
Archive Trap
Psychic Spiral
Perplex
Clutch of the Undercity
Spin Into Myth
Twincast
Memory Plunder


Sorceries (15)
Mind Grind
Mind Funeral
Coerced Confession
Glimpse the Unthinkable
Traumatize
Tunnel Vision
Sadistic Sacrament
Stolen Identity
Whispering Madness
Midnight Recovery
Syphon Mind
Praetor's Grasp
Acquire
Bribery
Demonic Tutor

Artifacts (8)
Sands of Delirium
Sword of Body and Mind
Whispersilk Cloak
Mimic Vat
Sol Ring
Dimir Signet
Dimir Keyrune
Chromatic Lantern


Enchantments (3)
Phyrexian Arena
Grave Pact
Animate Dead

Planeswalkers (1)
Jace, Memory Adept


Lands (36)
Ghost Quarter
Reliquary Tower
Rogue's Passage
Thespian's Stage
Minamo, School at Water's Edge
Tolaria West
Cabal Coffers
Shizo, Death's Storehouse
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Drowned Catacomb
Nephalia Drownyard
Sunken Ruins
Underground Sea
Watery Grave
Vesuva
Strip Mine
Tectonic Edge
Halimar Depths
Command Tower
Tainted Isle
Bojuka Bog
Creeping Tar Pit
Dust Bowl
13x Island/Swamp

EDIT: Updated my OP with updated cards

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 4:16PM #2
Disturbed185
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2006
Posts: 347
Traumatize seems decent with Lazav...
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 7:29PM #3
Mithroy
Date Joined: Nov 3, 2009
Posts: 105
Cut out about half of the shapeshifters and the transmute cards. Moved the Cipher cards to other categories.

Now sitting at 56 cards before land/mana rocks, any other suggestions for removals or additions?

Lazav, Dimir Mastermind

Mill Cards
Chancellor of the Spires
Consuming Aberration
Mind Funeral
Mind Grind
Tunnel Vision
Coerced Confession
Mindcrank
Nemesis of Reason
Dimir Charm
Duskmantle Guildmage
Geth, Lord of the Vault
Glimpse the Unthinkable
Induce Paranoia
Nightveil Specter
Psychic Strike
Szadek, Lord of Secrets 
Paranoid Delusions
Memory Erosion
Traumatize

Transmute Cards
Perplex
Ethereal Usher
Dizzy Spell
Clutch of the Undercity
Dimir Machinations
Muddle the Mixture

Discard Cards
Dimir Cutpurse
Nightmare Void
Soul Ransom
Undercity Plague
Whispering Madness
Mental Vapors
Syphon Mind
Jace's Archivist

Unblockable Cards
Dimir Infiltrator
Whispersilk Cloak
Invisible Stalker
Call of the Nightwing

Shapeshifter Cards
Body Double
Shapeshifter's Marrow
Sakashima the Impostor
Phyrexian Metamorph
Evil Twin
Dimir Doppelganger
Stolen Identity

Random Good Stuffs
Mindleech Mass
Mimic Vat
Twincast
Commandeer
Phyrexian Arena
Praetor's Grasp
Acquire
Bribery
Gather Specimens
Wrexial, the Risen Deep
Midnight Recovery


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- Telemin Performance
- Trepanation Blade
- Mind Sculpt
- Psychic Drain
- Netherborn Phalanx
- Brainspoil
- Dimir House Guard
- Hands of Binding
- Last Thoughts
- Windfall
- Dinrova Horror
- Tormented Soul
- Cackling Counterpart  
- Sakashima's Student  
- Vesuvan Shapeshifter
- Sculpting Steel  
- Infinite Reflection
- Phantasmal Image
- Soul Foundry
- Shapesharer
- Vesuvan Doppelganger
- Cemetery Puca  
- Clone  
- Cryptoplasm  
- Rite of Replication  
- Sewer Nemesis

+ Memory Erosion
+ Traumatize
+ Syphon Mind
+ Jace's Archivist
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 11:08PM #4
DerMeisterDoktor
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2011
Posts: 854
Unless you have a policy against infinite combos, you should play Bloodchief Ascension to go with Mindcrank.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 5:50AM #5
Mithroy
Date Joined: Nov 3, 2009
Posts: 105
Not a fan of infinite combos because of the target that gets put on my head afterwards. But Bloodchief Ascension is good enough to put in by itself. Also contemplating Psychic Spiral , Dreamborn Muse , Havengul Lich , Necrotic Ooze , Sands of Delirium , Dissipate , Sadistic Sacrament , Diluvian Primordial , Sepulchral Primordial , and Oona, Queen of the Fae .

Do you think I have too much Mill? Not enough answers to problems?
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 9:21AM #6
moxmadness
Date Joined: May 28, 2010
Posts: 283
This deck screams butcher  of malakir to me you are hoping to get a lot of creatures binned why not punish your  opponents for dusting your creatures or since you are al ready in black dust your own creature for butcher triggers and general triggers  
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 9:28AM #7
Mithroy
Date Joined: Nov 3, 2009
Posts: 105

Jan 30, 2013 -- 9:21AM, moxmadness wrote:

This deck screams butcher  of malakir to me you are hoping to get a lot of creatures binned why not punish your  opponents for dusting your creatures or since you are al ready in black dust your own creature for butcher triggers and general triggers  




Butcher of Malakir and on that same token Grave Pact   are great ideas! Any opinions about which cards I should cut? I'm low on room.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 11:32AM #8
FezzHead
Date Joined: Dec 13, 2011
Posts: 1,633
My suggestions:

Add:
Spin Into Myth - Handles enemy generals nicely and can potentially set you up for a Tunnel Vision .
Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni - Get more use out of those creature cards you're milling.
Rogue's Passage - A land that gives evasion. Enough said.
Deadeye Navigator - You can flicker your own guys to save them from removal or copy something else. Also becomes highly abusive with a good enter the battlefield effect.
Sadistic Sacrament
Sands of Delirium

Remove:
Commandeer - Not really worth its cost in my opinion.
Dimir Machinations - Too expensive for how much it mills.
Coerced Confession - Too inefficient as both a draw spell and a mill spell.
Gather Specimens - I don't think this fits your theme.

The thing to remember is that if Lazav is your commander, mill isn't going to be your primary win condition. If you want a pure mill deck, Oona, Queen of the Fae is a better commander.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 1:09PM #9
purplebackpack89
Date Joined: Nov 30, 2012
Posts: 614
I'd like to disagree with FezzHead on Coerced Confession .  I also think you should put Mind Sculpt back in.

I am of the opinion that "too much mill" is an oxymoron.  Here are four mill suggestions for you:


Also, I'd add Memory Plunder and consider adding Ghastlord of Fugue , Helm of the Ghastlord , Mortivore and Avatar of Woe .
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 5:05PM #10
Mithroy
Date Joined: Nov 3, 2009
Posts: 105
Sitting at 63 cards now, need to cut a few more.

Keeping in the Coerced Confession for now, drawing and milling at once I approve of... but I will keep my eye on it and may get taken out later.

Took Memory Erosion back out because of hate it paints on me. Considering taking Mindcrank for the same reason.

Still thinking about adding in primordials but I am already over 60 cards. I plan to rearrange the deck by card type when I add on my list of lands.

Lazav, Dimir Mastermind

Mill Cards
Chancellor of the Spires
Consuming Aberration
Mind Funeral
Mind Grind
Tunnel Vision
Coerced Confession
Mindcrank
Nemesis of Reason
Dimir Charm
Duskmantle Guildmage
Geth, Lord of the Vault
Glimpse the Unthinkable
Induce Paranoia
Nightveil Specter
Psychic Strike
Szadek, Lord of Secrets 
Paranoid Delusions
Traumatize
Archive Trap
Sword of Body and Mind
Jace, Memory Adept
Sadistic Sacrament
Psychic Spiral
Dreamborn Muse

Transmute Cards
Perplex
Ethereal Usher
Clutch of the Undercity
Muddle the Mixture

Discard Cards
Dimir Cutpurse
Nightmare Void
Soul Ransom
Undercity Plague
Whispering Madness
Mental Vapors
Syphon Mind
Jace's Archivist

Unblockable Cards
Dimir Infiltrator
Whispersilk Cloak
Invisible Stalker
Call of the Nightwing

Shapeshifter Cards
Body Double
Sakashima the Impostor
Phyrexian Metamorph
Evil Twin
Dimir Doppelganger
Stolen Identity

Random Good Stuffs
Mindleech Mass
Mimic Vat
Twincast
Phyrexian Arena
Praetor's Grasp
Acquire
Bribery
Wrexial, the Risen Deep
Midnight Recovery
Avatar of Woe
Spin Into Myth
Butcher of Malakir
Sadistic Sacrament
Havengul Lich
Necrotic Ooze
Bloodchief Ascension


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- Commandeer
- Gather Specimens
- Dimir Machinations
- Dizzy Spell
- Shapeshifter's Marrow
- Memory Erosion


+ Bloodchief Ascension
+ Psychic Spiral
+ Dreamborn Muse
+ Havengul Lich
+ Necrotic Ooze
+ Sands of Delirium
+ Sadistic Sacrament
+ Butcher of Malakir
+ Spin Into Myth
+ Archive Trap
+ Sword of Body and Mind
+ Jace, Memory Adept
+ Avatar of Woe

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