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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 7:45PM #1
thoughtcontrol
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2013
Posts: 383
So I have an idea for a budget grixis control deck that mills and burns my opponent. Another criteria is that I only want to use cards from RtR and GtC...

unnumbered nonfinal decklist.

Spells
Cyclonic rift
Mizzium Mortars
Annihilating fire
Dreadbore
Essence Backlash
Izzet Charm
Rakdos's Return
Thought flare
Psychic Spiral
Grisley Spectacle
Dimir Charm
Mind Grind
Paranoid Delusions
Psychic Strike

Creatures
Guttersnipe
Hypersonic Dragon
Mercurial Chemister
Niv-Mizzet Dracogenious
Nivix Guildmage
Balustrade Spy
Consuming Aberration
Duskmantle Guildmage

Other
Rakdos Keyrune
Dimir Keyrune
Izzet Keyrune
Tablet of the Guilds

Lands
Rakdos Gate
Dimir Gate
Izzet Gate
then basics, even mix of swamp, island and mountain

other spells I was thinking about
Soul Ransom
Whispering Madness
Last Thoughts
Gridlock
Blustersquall
Rakdos charm
Explosive Impact
Syncopate
Aetherize
Inspiration

other creatures
Desecration Demon
Deathcult Rogue
Bane Alley Broker
Blistercoil Weird
Goblin Electromancer

Please help with this what can I add or take away and what would be a good number of each to put in.

I was thinking about most of the creatures running 2 ofs with the guttersnipe, balustrade spy and duskmantle guildmage being 3 or 4 ofs.

And really the budget part of this is the lands being that I refuse to spend 10 - 15 bucks each for the shock lands that I wouldn't bring in and take a life loss just to use it so it would come in tapped just like a gate.

thanks for your help.

   
   
   
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 7:55PM #2
NaughtyWord
Date Joined: May 11, 2012
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Go mill or go burn.  Not both.


The reason being is the mana (and cardslots) you are spending in burn you could be spending in mill and vice versa which will in turn win games more quickly than doing both.  Generally in mill you don't care about their life total you just care that they run out of cards before you run out of life.  Conversely in burn you don't care how many cards are in their library but rather that life total reaches 0 before theirs does and you generally want to get it done by turn 5.



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4 months ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 1:39PM #3
thoughtcontrol
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2013
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 7:55PM, NaughtyWord wrote:

Go mill or go burn.  Not both.


The reason being is the mana (and cardslots) you are spending in burn you could be spending in mill and vice versa which will in turn win games more quickly than doing both.  Generally in mill you don't care about their life total you just care that they run out of cards before you run out of life.  Conversely in burn you don't care how many cards are in their library but rather that life total reaches 0 before theirs does and you generally want to get it done by turn 5.





Thank you for your advice, I would like to keep it more on a mill feeling so I think that I will remove all of the burn type spells other than Rakdos's Return because it will burn and empty their hand making it tough to set up any defence against me. I will also keep the guttersnipe and more than likly I will run 4 of it just because with my deck being really sorcery and instant heavy the free burn from guttersnipe for each spell and being able to use him as a chump blocker for only 3 mana is good return in my book.

thanks again.


   
   
   
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 2:43PM #4
thoughtcontrol
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2013
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updated decklist

Spells                                                       Creatures/other                        Land 4 each    
Cyclonic rift                                               Guttersnipe                               Rakdos Gate Dreadbore                                                Hypersonic Dragon                    Izzet Gate
Essence Backlash                                     Mercurial Chemister                   Dimir Gate
Izzet Charm                                              Nivix Guildmage                         Island       
Rakdos's Return                                       Niv-Mizzet Dracogenious            Mountain
Thoughtflare                                             Consuming Abberation              Swamp
Rakdos Charm                                          Duskmantle Guildmage
Psychic spiral                                            Goblin Electromancer
Syncopate                                                Balustrade Spy
Dimir Charm                                              Rakdos Keyrune
Grisley Spectacle                                      Izzet Keyrune
Mind Grind                                                Dimir Keyrune
Paranoid Delusions                                  Tablet of the Guilds
Paychic strike

What and how many should I main board and same with side board or remove totally

thanks

   
   
   
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 7:00PM #5
thoughtcontrol
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2013
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okay ive come up with a decklist.

Creatures                                       Spells                                                  Land
Hypersonic Dragon x 2            Cyclonic Rift x 3                           Rakdos Guildgate x 4
Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius x 2   Dreadbore x 2                             Izzet Guildgate x 4
Consuming Aberration x 3      Essence Backlash x 2                Dimir Guildgate x 4
Duskmantle Guildmage x 2    Rakdos's Return x 2                    Island x 4
Balustrade Spy x 3                    Thoughtflare x 3                          Swamp x 4
Guttersnipe x 2                           Dimir Charm x 2                          Mountain x 4
                                                       Grisly Spectacle x 2
                                                       Mind Grind x 3
                                                      Psychic Strike x 2
                                                      Psychic Spiral x 2
                                                      
Side board
Izzet Charm x 2
Rakdos Charm x 2
Guttersnipe x 2
Goblin Electromancer x 3
Duskmantle Guildmage x 2
Mercurial Chemister x 2
Mizzium Mortars x 2

Let me know what you think

   
   
   
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 8:16PM #6
Noohj
Date Joined: Mar 11, 2012
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I hate to be a lazy prick,  but can you had the  (c)(/c)  clause to each othe cards? It's easier to see what you're talkin' about instead of having to look each one up =/
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 9:32AM #7
thoughtcontrol
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Jan 28, 2013 -- 8:16PM, Noohj wrote:

I hate to be a lazy prick,  but can you had the  (c)(/c)  clause to each othe cards? It's easier to see what you're talkin' about instead of having to look each one up =/




Sorry but I don't know how to do that.


   
   
   
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 9:56AM #8
etcetera
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Jan 29, 2013 -- 9:32AM, thoughtcontrol wrote:

Jan 28, 2013 -- 8:16PM, Noohj wrote:

I hate to be a lazy prick,  but can you had the  (c)(/c)  clause to each othe cards? It's easier to see what you're talkin' about instead of having to look each one up =/




Sorry but I don't know how to do that.


[c]Forest[/c] turns into Forest , which makes it easier for readers of your post to know what the text of the forests in your decklist is.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 10:21AM #9
thoughtcontrol
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thank you etcetera. what do you think how viable might this deck be in standard.

   
   
   
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 29, 2013 - 2:15PM #10
Noohj
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Other than the little bit of removal you have, I don't see how this is a control deck.

Aggro decks will stomp all over you since all of your creatures are sooooo expenisve,  and the cheap creatures you have don't want to be fighting at all, so you have nothign to defend yourself with.

Alot of your spells are rediculously expensive too.  You're literally going to be playing only 1-2 spells(or creatures) per turn.  I don't see how you expect to burn/mill quickly....  vs other decks. 
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