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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2013 - 10:38PM
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Date Joined:
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glimpse the unthinkable  is strictly better than mind funeral  but still run both.
Gotta disagree with this. 'Strictly better', generally, means 'better except in the most remote of corner cases'. Now let's say, fair case, your opponent is running 24 lands but has 4 on the battlefield/in their hand, and has 50 cards left in deck when you cast Mind Funeral  . You'll probably get an average of 10 cards to hit the 4 lands. Sure, it's the same number as Glimpse, but you can also hit more, and if you hit less you increase their chance of land screw. That's not corner case enough to say that Glimpse is 'strictly better'.
I do agree that it's better, but the term strictly better is for cases, like, Lightning Bolt  vs Volcanic Hammer  .
Also, mill decks don't have to run heavy control/removal and all that. Turbofog is one of the more successful styles of mill, and typically mills while setting back on Fog  cards like Moment's Peace  .
In any case, to actually suggest something for the deck - including a graveyard hate card, preferably one that isn't card disadvantage in case you don't actually need the graveyard hate (ie. Nihil Spellbomb  , Relic of Progenitus  ) is often a good idea, just in case they're playing a graveyard based strategy that you're helping (ie. reanimator, something with Vengevine  or Demigod of Revenge  ), or they're running something like Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre  .
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 12:32AM
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Date Joined:
Feb 28, 2012
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Mind Funeral really can be better, if you play against something like a mono green deck with only 16 lands, Mind Funeral wrecks that kind of stuff. Even in a 20 land deck it can get past 10 cards, especially against fetches.
I don't bite, don't hesitate to message me if you have any questions or thoughts about deck ideas I post or anything Magic the Gathering related.
My Causal Modern Decks
Swag Flu (Mono Black Infect) http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29788619/Swag_Flu_(Mono_Black_Infect)
American Super Friends (White/Blue/Red Planeswalker Control) http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29772319/American_Super_Friends_(Budget_WhiteBlueRed_Planeswalker_Control)
Hong Kong (White/Red Norin Tokens)http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29636557/Hong_Kong_(WhiteRed_Norin_Tokens)
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 1:09AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2009
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Indeed. On average I'd say that Glimpse the Unthinkable  is better as, on average, you're mostly looking at ~24 card decks or there abouts, so you're getting around the same effect between both cards, with Glimpse costing  less. But of course, there are enough non-corner cases where Mind Funeral is better - some of which you've pointed out - that calling Glimpse 'strictly better' isn't really justified.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 2:07AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 13, 2013
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Guys read this. I haven't seen any rock-solid math for this card on here yet, so I programmed a simple simulation to see how many cards on average this spell would mill. I used a deck size of 60 cards, casting this spell after the opponent had drawn their starting hand of 7, plus 3 cards, which seems reasonable given that this is a 3-mana spell. I varied the lands between 19 (hyper-aggressive) and 26 (hyper-control) to show the effectiveness spectrum. The simulation was run one million times for each scenario. Here we go: Average cards milled from deck with 19 land cards: 12.2 Average cards milled from deck with 20 land cards: 11.62 Average cards milled from deck with 21 land cards: 11.09 Average cards milled from deck with 22 land cards: 10.61 Average cards milled from deck with 23 land cards: 10.17 Average cards milled from deck with 24 land cards: 9.76 Average cards milled from deck with 25 land cards: 9.38 Average cards milled from deck with 26 land cards: 9.04 We can conclude from these results that this card is more effective against decks light on lands (obviously), but specifically that this seems to be, on average against the typical deck you would face, strictly worse than Glimpse the Unthinkable . That said, it's a) in standard, b) uncommon, and c) undoubtedly more fun to play than the aforementioned benchmark mill spell.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 2:17AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2009
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You're missing the point. I don't know about Honor, but I know that I actually agreed that Glimpse the Unthinkable was better overall. However, the term strictly better is for when a card is better than another, except for maybe the most remote corner cases. Awesome example: Lightning Bolt vs Volcanic Hammer . Unless you're in the most rare scenario where you don't want a cheaper spell for some reason, or you don't want an instant over a sorcery for some reason, Lightning Bolt is always better - so because the only times Volcanic Hammer is better are remote corner cases, Lightning Bolt can be considered strictly better. The difference between that example and Glimpse the Unthinkable and Mind Funeral , is that due to their different functionality there are non-corner cases where Mind Funeral is better. The simple case being, if a deck is land-light, it's better. There are plenty of times where a deck is land-light, so Mind Funeral takes out a much bigger portion. To sum up: Glimpse the Unthinkable is better (in my opinion), but not strictly better.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 10:01AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 22, 2011
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Thanks for the advice so far. Picking up my Gatecrash booster box and may post a revised deck based on what I get in it.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 4:05PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 28, 2012
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I also said to run Glimpse the Unthinkable , if you had the budget, but I just don't think it's strictly better. If you run it along side Ghostly Quarter  (which pairs well with Archive Trap  ) and your opponent is also running fetch lands then it will be hitting hard. Very hard. Good stuff on the math though, really cool.
I don't bite, don't hesitate to message me if you have any questions or thoughts about deck ideas I post or anything Magic the Gathering related.
My Causal Modern Decks
Swag Flu (Mono Black Infect) http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29788619/Swag_Flu_(Mono_Black_Infect)
American Super Friends (White/Blue/Red Planeswalker Control) http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29772319/American_Super_Friends_(Budget_WhiteBlueRed_Planeswalker_Control)
Hong Kong (White/Red Norin Tokens)http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29636557/Hong_Kong_(WhiteRed_Norin_Tokens)
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 5:21PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 13, 2013
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In reality, most people will not run a playset of glimpse the unthinkable unless you already have a set of four of those cards. The cheapest ones I find are at least 10 bucks. 
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 5:26PM
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If you want some other fun cards to consider take a look at Cursed Rack  and Nightveil Specter  . After looking at a lot of the dimir cards I am thinking about making a mill deck myself. Looks like fun and I had a great time on DotP12 with Jace's mill deck.
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