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Jan 24, 2013 - 8:10PM
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At the risk of tanuki ridiculing me, I'm going to ask this question here is how priority happens when Orim's Chant  is cast on the upkeep and assuming no responses
Upkeep starts
opponent gets priority, passes
you get priority, cast Orim's Chant
you get priority again, pass it
opponent gets priority, passes, Orim's Chant resolves
opponent gets priority, passes
you get priority, pass it
upkeep step ends, draw step begins
no sane person would acknowledge all those priority changes, that's where shortcuts come in
I think I've been playing the stack wrong all this time. Though, I can't remember a time in which this mattered. I've always thought that priority automatically changed after a spell was cast.
So, could I cast a spell
get priority and cast another spell
get priority and cast another spell
get priority and then pass?
I'm going to scan through the bajillion pages of rules to help cement this in my mind but could anyone give me a section number to speed things along?
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on Jan 25, 2013 - 07:18AM
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 8:14PM
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yes, after you cast a spell you get priority again it is assumed that you pass that priority as a shortcut, so you haven't really been playing wrong, just efficient  relevant rules
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116.3. Which player has priority is determined by the following rules:
116.3a The active player receives priority at the beginning of most steps and phases, after any turn-based actions (such as drawing a card during the draw step; see rule 703) have been dealt with and abilities that trigger at the beginning of that phase or step have been put on the stack. No player receives priority during the untap step. Players usually don’t get priority during the cleanup step (see rule 514.3).
116.3b The active player receives priority after a spell or ability (other than a mana ability) resolves.
116.3c If a player has priority when he or she casts a spell, activates an ability, or takes a special action, that player receives priority afterward.
116.3d If a player has priority and chooses not to take any actions, that player passes. If any mana is in that player’s mana pool, he or she announces what mana is there. Then the next player in turn order receives priority.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 8:23PM
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Thanks. That's one of those subtle nuances I never realized.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 9:12PM
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As stated previously, that was a quote from the "Read this - Creating a Rules Thread".
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 9:15PM
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I think it may be best to move on past any non rules arguments. At least in this thread.
Kovacs started with such a friendly "hi all" and we've turned it into something else.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 9:15PM
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Indeed!
@Tanuki: I'd still recommend brushing up on your bedside manners, though.
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Sounds familiar?
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Jan 24, 2013 - 10:38PM
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A phase/step does not, and cannot end unless the stack is empty and all players pass priority while it's empty.
What about Time Stop  ? :33 (Granted that empties the stack as part of the process of doing it's whole thing, but yeah)
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I'm fond of  personally. Dunno if it conveys sarcasm per se, but it's a good all-around emoticon. Otherwise I think your best bet is  .
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I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:
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Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."
I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 10:55PM
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I'm fond of personally. Dunno if it conveys sarcasm per se, but it's a good all-around emoticon. Otherwise I think your best bet is .
Thanks. Ima use that
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What about Time Stop ? :33 (Granted that empties the stack as part of the process of doing it's whole thing, but yeah)
Can't we all just assume that "unless a card says otherwise" is always attached to any blanketed rule...unless a card says otherwise?
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Jan 25, 2013 - 7:21AM
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Jan 25, 2013 - 7:34AM
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While we are on the subject of timing, costs are paid as you put something on the stack. This means they can happen far before they resolve. This is sometimes very important. My favorite example is a murderous redcap  with a -1/-1 counter on it, with its ability on the stack, a power conduit  in play, and it being targetted by a lightning bolt  . Stack looks like this, 1) when muderous redcap comes into play it does damage equal to its power to target creature or player. 2) deal 3 damage to target creature (redcap). If you let the lightning bolt resolve it will kill the redcap which will not persist back because it had a -1/-1 counter on it and then when the come into play redcap trigger resolved it would do 1 damage using last known information. However if you add the power conduit trigger to the stack on top of the lightning bolt you both remove the -1/-1 counter, and after it resolves add a +1/+1 counter. Thus the redcap will persist back and even after the lightning bolt kills it will do 3 damage using last known information. Now You can also have the stack set up as, 1) when muderous redcap comes into play it does damage equal to its power to target creature or player. 2) remove a -1/-1 counter from: add a +1/+1 counter to target creature. 3) deal 3 damage to target creature (redcap). In this case the redcap removed the counter as a cost so the redcap will persist back but its last known information was that it had 2 power bcause the lightning bolt kills it before the +1/+1 resolved so when the come into play trigger happens it does 2 damage.
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