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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 9:17PM
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Firewing Phoenix  How does this work. Can you pay the cost at anytime of 4 mana and rfeturn it to your hand? The question came up where if you can play that ability from your graveyard, then why can't you play any ability from the graveyard. Or, do you have to play that at the exact time it dies and enters the graveyard. Thanks.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 9:21PM
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Firewing Phoenix How does this work. Can you pay the cost at anytime of 4 mana and rfeturn it to your hand?
Anytime you have priority yes.
The question came up where if you can play that ability from your graveyard, then why can't you play any ability from the graveyard.
Because most abilities only work on the battlefield. This ability is one of the exceptions:
112.6k An ability whose cost or effect specifies that it moves the object it’s on out of a particular zone functions only in that zone, unless that ability’s trigger condition, or a previous part of that ability’s cost or effect, specifies that the object is put into that zone.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 9:22PM
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Please autocard. [c ]Firewing Phoenix[/c ] = Firewing Phoenix You can play the ability any time it's in the graveyard. Most abilities of permanents can only be played while that permanent is on the battlefield. However, there is a long list of exceptions to this rule and this is one of them. Since this ability specifically says to use it from the graveyard, you can do so (and in fact that is the only place it can be played from). That doesn't mean you can do so with other abilities that don't specifically say that. I'll paste in the list as soon as I find it, if no-one beats me to it. EDIT: Here it is, in an sblock because this could choke a moose. Spoiler:
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112.6. Abilities of an instant or sorcery spell usually function only while that object is on the stack.
Abilities of all other objects usually function only while that object is on the battlefield. The
exceptions are as follows:
112.6a Characteristic-defining abilities function everywhere, even outside the game. (See rule
604.3.)
112.6b An ability that states which zones it functions in functions only from those zones.
112.6c An object’s ability that allows a player to pay an alternative cost rather than its mana cost
functions in any zone in which its mana cost can be paid (which, in general, means it functions
on the stack). An object’s ability that otherwise modifies what that particular object costs to cast
functions on the stack.
112.6d An object’s ability that restricts or modifies how that particular object can be played or cast
functions in any zone from which it could be played or cast.
112.6e An object’s ability that restricts or modifies what zones that particular object can be played
or cast from functions everywhere, even outside the game.
112.6f An object’s ability that states it can’t be countered or can’t be countered by spells and
abilities functions on the stack.
112.6g An object’s ability that modifies how that particular object enters the battlefield functions as
that object is entering the battlefield. See rule 614.12.
112.6h An object’s ability that states counters can’t be placed on that object functions as that object
is entering the battlefield in addition to functioning while that object is on the battlefield.
112.6i An object’s activated ability that has a cost that can’t be paid while the object is on the
battlefield functions from any zone in which its cost can be paid.
112.6j A trigger condition that can’t trigger from the battlefield functions in all zones it can trigger
from. Other trigger conditions of the same triggered ability may function in different zones.
Example: Absolver Thrull has the ability “When Absolver Thrull enters the battlefield
or the creature it haunts is put into a graveyard, destroy target enchantment.” The first
trigger condition functions from the battlefield and the second trigger condition
functions from the exile zone. (See rule 702.53, “Haunt.&rdquo
112.6k An ability whose cost or effect specifies that it moves the object it’s on out of a particular
zone functions only in that zone, unless that ability’s trigger condition, or a previous part of that
ability’s cost or effect, specifies that the object is put into that zone.
Example: Reassembling Skeleton says “{1}{B}: Return Reassembling Skeleton from
your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.” A player may activate this ability only if
Reassembling Skeleton is in his or her graveyard.
112.6m An ability that modifies the rules for deck construction functions before the game begins.
Such an ability modifies not just the Comprehensive Rules, but also the Magic: The Gathering
Tournament Rules and any other documents that set the deck construction rules for a specific
Constructed format. However, such an ability can’t affect the format legality of a card, including
whether it’s banned or restricted. The current Magic: The Gathering Tournament Rules can be
found at www.wizards.com/wpn/Events/Rules.aspx.
112.6n Abilities of emblems, plane cards, vanguard cards, and scheme cards function in the
command zone. See rule 113, “Emblems”; rule 901, “Planechase”; rule 902, “Vanguard”; and
rule 904, “Archenemy.”
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 9:31PM
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Anytime you have priority yes.
ok, wait now.. what you said I completely understand and that is what I thought. But, now you say 'Anytime YOUhave priority'. Well, I thought abilities could be cast like an instant, so.. in that case, even if your opponent has priority on his turn, you still should be able to cast that ability..correct?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 9:34PM
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Sep 17, 2005
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Anytime you have priority yes.
ok, wait now.. what you said I completely understand and that is what I thought. But, now you say 'Anytime YOUhave priority'. Well, I thought abilities could be cast like an instant, so.. in that case, even if your opponent has priority on his turn, you still should be able to cast that ability..correct?
You can activate it under the same timing as casting an instant. Players trade priority back and forth each step of every turn. So even if it is your opponent's turn your will get priority at least once in each step of the turn.
Basically, any time you do something its because you have priority, although there are a few exceptions.
You can read more about it in the FAQ at the top of this forum.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 9:36PM
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ok, thanks peeps.. that's really helpfull. Man, this forum is GREAT!! lol
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 4:41AM
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even if your opponent has priority on his turn, you still should be able to cast that ability..correct?
no, not until they pass you priority
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 7:55AM
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even if your opponent has priority on his turn, you still should be able to cast that ability..correct?
no, not until they pass you priority
The OP's remark probably implies he did not know he'd get Priority even during opponent's turn, as Rudolf observed.
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Sounds familiar?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 24, 2013 - 8:03AM
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116.3d If a player has priority and chooses not to take any actions, that player passes. If any mana is in that player’s mana pool, he or she announces what mana is there. Then the next player in turn order receives priority.
MtG Rules Advisor &
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