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4 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 9:54PM #11
ikegami
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So you can propose a shortcut and start executing immediately. What's the amount of time someone has to object? I usually take less time to untap and draw than it takes to say "woah, hang on".
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 10:56PM #12
Zoidberg
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Jan 23, 2013 -- 9:54PM, ikegami wrote:

So you can propose a shortcut and start executing immediately. What's the amount of time someone has to object? I usually take less time to untap and draw than it takes to say "woah, hang on".



You're playing multiplayer, adapt ? :P

"Go"
*raises head*
"Anyone?"
... *nods*
"Untaps and draw"

Rules question? Have you read the Basic rulebook already? No? Why not take some time to do that?

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 1:11AM #13
ikegami
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Jan 23, 2013 -- 10:56PM, Zoidberg wrote:

Jan 23, 2013 -- 9:54PM, ikegami wrote:

So you can propose a shortcut and start executing immediately. What's the amount of time someone has to object? I usually take less time to untap and draw than it takes to say "woah, hang on".



You're playing multiplayer, adapt ? :P

"Go"
*raises head*
"Anyone?"
... *nods*
"Untaps and draw"


You seem to have misread the question. Cyphern said

A: "Go"
B: "Untaps and draw"

was ok in tournaments. I asked how that works. Your post does not help.

Or maybe you attempting to answer my earlier quesiton which asked what people actually do in tournaments? Your post does not help answer that either.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 1:34AM #14
adeyke
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ln a two-player game, if your opponent just said "go", you have priority, and as soon as you pass priority, the turn ends and you untap. By just untapping, you aren't skipping anything except the "I pass priority", which normally isn't spoken, and you aren't denying anyone the opportunity to do anything. There's no reason this should be problematic.

In multi-player games, this changes, of course.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 1:35AM #15
ikegami
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Unless you simply wanted to confirm what cypher said earlier by repeating it, the open quesiton is specifically about multi-player.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 4:22AM #16
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Jan 24, 2013 -- 1:11AM, ikegami wrote:

You seem to have misread the question. Cyphern said

A: "Go"
B: "Untaps and draw"

was ok in tournaments. I asked how that works. Your post does not help.

Or maybe you attempting to answer my earlier quesiton which asked what people actually do in tournaments? Your post does not help answer that either.



Jan 24, 2013 -- 1:35AM, ikegami wrote:

Unless you simply wanted to confirm what cypher said earlier by repeating it, the open quesiton is specifically about multi-player.


No, my answer was relative to multiplayer, as specified in my post. Reading helps.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 5:54AM #17
Bowshewicz
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Are there multiplayer tournaments? (Aside from 2HG and other shared turn formats, where there would be less of an issue.)

If not, I'm not sure the MTR is a good source for shortcuts. I think the best thing would be to either
A) Explicitly ask if anyone's looking to respond, or
B) Pause for a moment after you untap to give people time to object. You don't have wait for a prompt or anything, just give yourself time to stop in case someone does speak up.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 7:27AM #18
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Our playgroup's official minimum duration is «long enough to have a sip of beer»...
Seriously: if you go from «Go» to «Untap&Draw» at warp speed in multiplayer, you WILL get snapped at! 
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 2:54PM #19
ikegami
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Jan 24, 2013 -- 4:22AM, Zoidberg wrote:

Jan 24, 2013 -- 1:35AM, ikegami wrote:

Unless you simply wanted to confirm what cypher said earlier by repeating it, the open quesiton is specifically about multi-player.


No, my answer was relative to multiplayer, as specified in my post. Reading helps.


That was a reply to adeyke, not to you.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 3:15PM #20
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Jan 24, 2013 -- 1:11AM, ikegami wrote:

Jan 23, 2013 -- 10:56PM, Zoidberg wrote:

Jan 23, 2013 -- 9:54PM, ikegami wrote:

So you can propose a shortcut and start executing immediately. What's the amount of time someone has to object? I usually take less time to untap and draw than it takes to say "woah, hang on".



You're playing multiplayer, adapt ? :P

"Go"
*raises head*
"Anyone?"
... *nods*
"Untaps and draw"


You seem to have misread the question. Cyphern said

A: "Go"
B: "Untaps and draw"

was ok in tournaments. I asked how that works. Your post does not help.

Or maybe you attempting to answer my earlier quesiton which asked what people actually do in tournaments? Your post does not help answer that either.



Cyphern, if you read his post, was explicitly answering your question about multiplayer. You didn't say anything in your response to indicate that the context had changed (back), so Zoidberg's answer was perfectly appropriate and if anyone appears to have lost track of the conversation it's you.

In any case, whether you're asking about tournaments or about multiplayer, your question has been answered. Or at least you've failed to make it clear what aspect of it hasn't been answered to your satisfaction.

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