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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 5:11PM
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Jan 23, 2013
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I have been playing MtG for awhile, but there seems to be a recent trend of this.
As soon as my turn is over and I state go ahead to my opponent they will state "before you said done" and proceed to activate a bunch of either creature abilities, or instants if they have mana available. They will then untap everything for the beginning of their turn and proceed with the regular turn.
At what point does my turn actually end, or can they just back everything up and say "before you said done?"
Also, if they say this (and it is legal), isn't it then still my turn, so I can still perform normal activities in response to his actions?
Thanks!
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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 5:22PM
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Feb 10, 2010
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You saying "done" is offering a shortcut to pass priority to the beginning of your opponents turn. Your opponent, yes, is allowed to interupt that shortcut and take actions during any of the phases of your turn you offered to skip. Normaly, the opponent will act durring your end-step, which means you will no longer be able to cast a creature or sorcery, but you can still respond with instant spells or activated abilities.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 5:24PM
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Nov 16, 2007
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"Before you said done" is not possible. What he actually meant was "before your turn is over", which in turn means "in your end step", and that's perfectly legal.
MTG is a turn-based game; it's not a game of chicken. When you say "go", you are actually proposing a shortcut for all players to pass priority until a new turn starts. They can accept that shortcut in full, accept it up to a point, or refuse it entirely. "In your end step, I do X" means they accepted your shortcut until the point where they have priority in your end step.
You are bound by your shortcut up to the point where it is interrupted, but you are free to do as you wish afterwards. As such, you can respond to to his spell and/or cast one of your own after his resolves.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 5:24PM
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Oct 18, 2009
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The turn ends after both player pass priority in the end step and the stack is empty, then the cleanup step happens without anything happening there. What you're doing is called a shortcut: you're basically saying you'll pass priority each step until your turn ends, and expect the opponent to do the same.
Your opponent can interrupt this shortcut, essentially saying he will keep priority at your turn's End Step and do something there (cast an instant spell, activate some ability...). With your shortcut interrupted, you can respond to whatever spells or ability he's playing.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 5:27PM
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Dec 16, 2010
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You saying "done" is offering a shortcut to pass priority to the beginning of your opponents turn. Your opponent, yes, is allowed to interupt that shortcut and take actions during any of the phases of your turn you offered to skip. Normaly, the opponent will act durring your end-step, which means you will no longer be able to cast a creature or sorcery, but you can still respond with instant spells or activated abilities.
Correction when a player says "go" (or "done" in this case) it's proposing a shortcut to pass priority until their end step and then giving their oppoent priority.
From the MTG tournament rulebook:
4.2. Tournament Shortcuts
The statement "Go" (and equivalents such as "Your turn" and "Done") offers to keep passing priority until an opponent has priority in the end step. Opponents are assumed to be acting then unless they specify otherwise.
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Rockford, Illinois
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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 5:30PM
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From the MTG tournament rulebook:
4.2. Tournament Shortcuts
The statement "Go" (and equivalents such as "Your turn" and "Done") offers to keep passing priority until an opponent has priority in the end step. Opponents are assumed to be acting then unless they specify otherwise.
So if you untap after your opponent says "go", you are assumed to be doing so in his end step and thus doing something illegal? How does one normally move to one's untap step in a tournament?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 5:31PM
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Jan 23, 2013
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Thank you! That clears things up!!
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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 5:59PM
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Jan 19, 2003
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So if you untap after your opponent says "go", you are assumed to be doing so in his end step and thus doing something illegal? How does one normally move to one's untap step in a tournament?
Untapping your permanents in this scenario is a perfectly reasonable way of showing "i accept your shortcut and then pass priority in your end step, thus ending your turn, and moving to my untap step."
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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 6:01PM
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Nov 16, 2007
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What about in multiplayer games?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 6:02PM
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Jan 19, 2003
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What about in multiplayer games?
Does anyone object to the player untapping his lands (eg, by saying "woah, hang on")? If not, then the gamestate is clear to everyone in the game: all non-active players passed priority in succession, and the next player began his/her turn. If someone did object, then we back up to where the objecting player has priority and continue from there.
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