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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 3:14AM
#11
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Date Joined:
Dec 15, 2011
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This deck has 6 match ups which aren't in its favor.
Others are even or MM has the advantage.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 3:17AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 15, 2012
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Basically I agree, but most decks are shutted down even without Progenitus  - Empyrial Archangel  is more then enough.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 4:36AM
#13
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There are many decks that can deal 8 damage
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 4:45AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 15, 2011
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There are at least 3 decks (DP, GM, BoF) that virtually can not lose to MM if you have the right build and in the case of DP and BoF the build that is good against MM is the best one against the general field anyway (speed mill for DP, creature light burn heavy for BoF). GM requires a little tweaking to be optimal against MM that makes it a little less strong against the field but any version of it is still good against MM. There are a number of decks that go at least 50/50 with MM and a number that get crushed by it. Doesn't seem that broken to me, it is a solid deck for sure but it certainly isn't even the best overall deck in 1v1, not with as many auto losses as it has. Goblins doesn't have any match ups that are even as close to unwinnable as MM vs the 3 decks I listed.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 4:50AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 28, 2006
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This deck has 6 match ups which aren't in its favor.
Others are even or MM has the advantage.
Assuming this is true, isn't this the case with every deck (save perhaps one or two)?
Assuming that's true then no, Mana Mastery is not overpowered.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 4:53AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 15, 2012
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There are many decks that can deal 8 damage
Theoretically - yes. And there are not so nuch actual situations, when it's actually possible (considering shroud of mentioned archangel and amount of removal in MM)
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 6:01AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 30, 2004
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Well see, the issue is that the decks that are good against MM are mostly decks that are terrible against the other top decks. So it creates a situation where you can pilot something good against GG/SS/et cetera, or something good against MM, but not both. You have to make *choices* and you can't just play one deck that steamrolls everyone, and people *hate* choices and losing.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 6:13AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 24, 2011
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Fast Dream puppets does very well; so does Born of Flame.
I have a decent W/L ratio with BoF vs MM, but the moment the following guy drops, I just concede:
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 6:30AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 12, 2012
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Well see, the issue is that the decks that are good against MM are mostly decks that are terrible against the other top decks. So it creates a situation where you can pilot something good against GG/SS/et cetera, or something good against MM, but not both. You have to make *choices* and you can't just play one deck that steamrolls everyone, and people *hate* choices and losing.
BF and GM both slaughter MM and do well against most of the other top decks though. MS slaughters MM and does fairly well against the others, though not as well as BF and GM do. OD/SS can both pretty consistently win against every deck, including MM (regardless of how late the game goes). I don't really see it as a forced choice for anything other than DP.
MM is very imbalanced against a range of decks, but the ones that have very little chance against it are mostly bottom tier decks - like SaS and RG.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 7:06AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 27, 2010
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Thanks. You folks are giving great advice.
I am glad I posted!
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