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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 12:57PM #21
Manite
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I'm pretty sure they mistook B for Blue rather than Black and forgot in that instance to use U instead. It happens.

The intro packs are an interesting point. Obviously they don't want to show favoritism towards certain guilds but they aren't going to want to release 10 different intro decks either, especially since DGM will be adding fewer cards than RTR and GTC. Tricolor decks don't seem like an unreasonable option but neither do monocolor decks that use all four keywords from guilds of a shared color. They could even do five four color decks...do you think that could be it? But that seems needlessly complex for intro packs.

In the case of a tricolor deck, assuming they want to follow the "2 rares per pack" rule, only two out of three possible guilds in a trio will be represented, likely the two with greatest synergy. For example, a deck would most likely use Selesnya + Simic as their respective mechanics work much better together than either one does with Detain. Following the block's trend of asymmetric color duos, some of the tricolor decks could be arc and some could be wedge. Each deck would represent one of the five colors, likely one shared between the deck's two represented guilds. The combinations should make sense from a flavor perspective as well as mechanical, like a Boros + Izzet deck based on the Warmind Initiative.

   
   
   
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 1:22PM #22
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simic + selesnya: simic is getting a lot of ooze token love that would be awesome to populate. plus populating a giant every turn should buff ALL of your evolve

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boros + gruul: both very aggresive decks, gruul's bigger creatures could give boros a chance late game, bloodrush helps assure some of your attackers will survive combat

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boros  + azorious: detain makes hitting your opponent easier, azorious control helps boros maintain the battlefield

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orzhov + dimir: cipher and extort work surprisingly well together- cast free spells and extort them for essentially free life. some of the cheaper orzhov creatrues will help you survive the early game, and as soon as you can start ciphering, extort will make up for the lifeloss. i would avoid milling strategies with this guild combo 

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orzhov + rakdos: a lot of cards from both of these guilds just combo well together. Rakdos has a heavy focus on damage to the opponent, and bleeding could be just what rakdos needs. there are a few discard cards in orzhovs colors that work well with those of rakdos ( mind rot , skull rend , shrieking affliction ), and the rix maadi guildmage has been waiting for extort this whole time. you wouldn't even need to attack your opponent to kill them

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golgari and izzet are just those off guilds that dont combo teriibly well a majority of the other guild strategies
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 3:33PM #23
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Jan 23, 2013 -- 11:33AM, return_of_kenobi wrote:

Jan 23, 2013 -- 8:43AM, Strago_Magus wrote:

When it comes to enemy colors, they decided to start with one color and skip one in the pattern to go to the next one, which is why Orsohv is (skipping blue) and not , because then they'd skip two colors in the middle (red and green).  Therefore, all enemy colored pairs look like this: ,



I'm going to stop you right there. and aren't enemy color pairs.



Jan 23, 2013 -- 12:57PM, Manite wrote:

I'm pretty sure they mistook B for Blue rather than Black and forgot in that instance to use U instead. It happens.



This.

I caught my mistake while reading through this thread again, and I went back and fixed my original post.  Thanks, though.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 4:25PM #24
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If they aren't doing 10 intro packs, then my guess is that we get either the 5 color wedges, or the 5 color shards. The wedges do not make very much sense flavor-wise, so I won't talk about it, but to me, the shards do.
The story could follow that conspiracy that the guilds will fall, and the colors in each shard band together to survive. This could explain why they could go with shards.

Disclaimer: I do not actually hope that this happens. I would be more than ok with 5 mono-colors decks, or 1 for each guild, however unlikely that it would happen.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 5:01PM #25
signofzeta
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Something happens and the guilds DNA digivolve.  Haha, lol... what?

Ok, for the intro packs, the reason why I speculated mono color decks for dragon's maze, because of the way intro packs are made.

They have one primary color and a secondary color.  The primary color is the color that the intro pack foil is.  RTR and GTC do not have a mono colored intro pack foils, but have a multicolored one, but the intro pack packaging is still color coded, so something like Izzet Ingenuity is Blue primary and Red secondary because it uses blue cardboard for the packaging.

So with 10 intro packs, they used every single color combination, without looking at primary and secondary colors.  Mono color decks have both the same primary and secondary colors.  Every set makes sure that every color is represented once as a primary color, and represented once as a secondary color, so if we have 5 mono colored intro packs, it would go:

Ww
Uu
Bb
Rr
Gg

We have Wu Wb Rw and Gw, so it is about time they completed it with a Ww.   Same with the other colors.

What I do hope is that they don't do 10 separate intro packs, one per guild.  It would be totally redundant, and I would rather have 5 of something different.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 5:23PM #26
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Jan 23, 2013 -- 11:33AM, return_of_kenobi wrote:

Jan 23, 2013 -- 8:43AM, Strago_Magus wrote:

Jan 22, 2013 -- 7:21PM, Coralus wrote:

I know I'm quite an umber of months early, but I've noticed something about the way the guilds are arranged. If you notice... each color has four guilds associated with it. 2 of those guilds have that color as the primary, 2 guilds have it as a secondary.

For example. With white, Azorius and Orzhov both have it as a secondary. Boros, and Simic have it as a secondary.



I'm going to stop you right here.  First of all, Simic isn't white, secondary or other.  Second--and most importantly--of all, the colors aren't templated that way because one is primary and one is secondary, they are templated that way because of how they fall on the color pie.  It is in no way an indication of primary or secondary colors.

The five colors of Magic are most often arranged in the following order: .  Two colors that are right next to each other are called allied colors, and two colors that are separated by a color in the middle are enemy colors.  They follow this pattern when they make multicolored cards.  For example, cards that share two allied colors have their colors arranged based on this.  All white and blue cards are ordered white first, then blue.  Same down the line, which makes the pairs always look like this: , , , , and they finish the circle with .  When it comes to enemy colors, they decided to start with one color and skip one in the pattern to go to the next one, which is why Orsohv is (skipping blue) and not , because then they'd skip two colors in the middle (red and green).  Therefore, all enemy colored pairs look like this: ,




I'm going to stop you right there. and aren't enemy color pairs.




Classic.  The first guy meant Selesnya (sp?) instead of Simic, and the second guy was so quick to correct the first guy that he made a mistake of his own.  He typed instead of .  Then the third guy points out that typo.  God, MTG players can total dicks sometimes.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 5:23PM #27
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Jan 23, 2013 -- 9:02AM, rstnme wrote:

Just in terms of mechanics and flavor, I would guess Simic and Golgari would make a nice pairing.

Rakdos and Dimir might work -- the latter manipulating the former as a distraction and aggressive tactic.

I've seen at least one card mentioning Boros and Izzet, so I'll guess them.

Azorius and Orzhov then.

And Gruul and Selsnya is left over.




Boros and Izzet are linked in the flavour text of Spark Trooper .
Boros and Azorius are linked in the flavour text of Quidditch Skygames and Nav Squad Commandos .
Orzhov and Simic are linked in the flavour text of Miming Slime .
Izzet and Selesnya are linked in the flavour text of Shielded Passage .
Orzhov and Dimir are linked in the flavour text of Urbis Protector .

The Dimir and Izzet are clearly against each other in the flavour text of Psychic Strike .
And the Gruul just hate everyone. It's on every second Gruul card (especially Gruul Charm ).

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 5:48PM #28
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Jan 23, 2013 -- 4:25PM, 1amth3guy wrote:

If they aren't doing 10 intro packs, then my guess is that we get either the 5 color wedges, or the 5 color shards. The wedges do not make very much sense flavor-wise, so I won't talk about it, but to me, the shards do.
The story could follow that conspiracy that the guilds will fall, and the colors in each shard band together to survive. This could explain why they could go with shards.

Disclaimer: I do not actually hope that this happens. I would be more than ok with 5 mono-colors decks, or 1 for each guild, however unlikely that it would happen.




Certain wedges would make sense. Boros + Izzet has precedence in the Warmind Initiative, and it wouldn't be a stretch to picture the Azorius working alongside the Boros if the situation called for it. Azorius also think of Izzet as nonmalicious and even see them as an extension of the Lyev Column, indicating that these three guilds could easily work together.

Simic's profile states that if Golgari desired allies, they would be their closest which is strangely heartwarming coming from what looks like the coldest guild. Dimir has also shown an interest in Simic's operations though the Simic regard them with disdain. Golgari displays dislike for both Simic and Dimir and in Dimir's case the sentiment is mutual. That didn't stop them from working together before, of course. So, a wedge also seems possible.

White wedge is unlikely to happen, at least with Rakdos, as few other guilds want anything to do with them, even other black guilds. Boros especially dislikes them given their zealous sense of justice and don't think highly of Orzhov either.

Black wedge also seems unlikely given each constituent guild's attitudes towards the others: Selesnya might just be the most prejudicial of the ten and certainly don't like the Golgari's mucking about with dirt and death. Golgari understands Selesnya's appreciation of nature but feels they are helpless in the face of death and see Orzhov as defying the cycle of life and death. Orzhov see the Golgari as filthy inferiors and feel Selesnya would sacrifice wealth on the altar of nature. So, not a lot of compulsion for cooperation here.

Gruul dislikes almost every guild except Boros, whom they respect, so them working with Izzet and Simic in  is unlikely.


   
   
   
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 6:22PM #29
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I'd like non-overlaping alliances.

G/U+R/B

W/B+R/G

U/R+G/W    

B/G+W/U     

R/W+U/B

Not sure how the lore would play out...    
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 7:05PM #30
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Perhaps there is something that will happen in the story that will create a restructuring/destruction of guilds, making five remaining that are either more powerful than before but still two-colored, or perhaps larger and more diverse by adding color. Or perhaps the whole system breaks down as the anarchist-type Gateless seem to desire, and then the mono-colors will be important again. It could be interesting.

As for my previous post back on page one: I wasn't certain if the term "champion" referred to the "leader" or what. I guess that makes sense though, having a second fiddle; I wasn't aware of any such characters myself. Works for me though!
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