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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 7:21PM
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Date Joined:
May 22, 2006
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I know I'm quite an umber of months early, but I've noticed something about the way the guilds are arranged. If you notice... each color has four guilds associated with it. 2 of those guilds have that color as the primary, 2 guilds have it as a secondary.
For example. With white, Azorius and Orzhov both have it as a secondary. Boros, and Simic have it as a secondary.
If I were to pair each of the guilds based on their Primary colors... we have (shared colors capitalized)
Azorius/Orzhov: Wub
Izzet/Dimir: Ubr
Rakdos/Golgari: Brg
Boros/Gruul: Rgw
Simic/Selesnya: Gwu
Is this simply synergistic design? or do you think this is planned to set up for multiguild alliances? Now, if we look at secondary color pairs...
Boros/Selesnya: Wrg
Azorius/Simic: Uwg
Orzhov/Dimir: Bwu
Rakdos/Izzet: Rub
Golgari/Gruul: Gbr
This second pairing doesn't work very well, synergystically, or flavorfully, but flavorfully, Izzet/Dimir from the first pairing doesn't work at all, at least, not in its current state, since we know from flavor text in Gatecrash, that Lazav wants to know what Niv Mizzet is up to, meaning he doesn't already know.
I think five guild alliances would be much easier to build for in Dragon's Maze than putting all ten guilds in DGM, unless every card in DGM is multicolored. Or conversely, it's an almost entirely non-multicolor set, based around the guildless taking down the guilds. Furthermore... the primordial avatars from GTC, seem to hint that nature, and the past is starting to fight back. I hypothesize that at the heart of Ravnica is an apparratus that keeps nature in check, to keep it from rapidly decimating the plane, similar to the way they had Argyem, the Ghost Quarter isolated. I sense a huge shift in the plane coming for DGM, similar to the way Shards of Alara ended. Promises of ultimate power never end well in MtG.
Any significances you agree/disagree upon? Do you think split-cards will return? Multicolored cards with 1color, and 1 hybrid in the casting cost? There is also suspicion that signets will be used in DGM, because of a few revealed pieces of art in a cycle, that appeared partially in the duel deck Izzet vs. Golgari. Also, it's been mentioned that some cycles were started in GTC and RtR, that will be concluded in DGM. Will the uncounterable spells be a part of that?
Also, with potential shard-cards. Will we get cards with multiple guild keywords? An evolve creature that populates when evolved? A detaining enchantment that extorts? This breaks down when you look at Overload and Cipher, though. As well as, Unleash and Scavenge. This is likely not going to happen, but still fun to think about! This just as much a thread about what others would like to see!
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 7:33PM
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I think the Primodials were more like crappy replacements for the Nephilim. And I really don't expect WotC to turn their ten-guild theme into a 5-guild shard. If this was going to be Alara, it would've been Alara. No, we'll see small additions to the previous guilds, we'll see all ten keywords brought back into the set (and I suspect we'll see some of the keywords push the envelope a lot more). Maaayyyybe WotC will put keywords on out of color cards. But I doubt that strongly. We'll see the guild champions, of course. They'll probably be at rare, even though it'd be cooler to have them at mythic. But at Mythic, there'd be no room for noncreature mythic spells/lands. Small sets generally have ~10 mythics, so that'd take up all the room. Especially since we have Ral Zarek's planeswalker card to expect, at minimum. I'm personally hoping for a new Tibalt as well, that'll be previewed with the duel deck next month.
I don't think it'll be all multicolor, though they could since the set is designed to be drafted alongside RtR and GTC. From what I understand, Alara Reborn was really poor to draft because it was all multicolor.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:10PM
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THE GUILDS OF RAVNICA
WILL DESTROY EACH OTHER.
I'm expecting at least one or more WUBRG (or nephilim colored) cards but I also expect clashing between mono-colored and multicolored. It all depends on whether or not Niv's plan summons those ancient things (leviathans?) that was mentioned in an article a long time ago and never brought up again or is more centered around guild clash or guildless clash.
Guild pairing? No, one-hundred thousand million times no! It doesn't make sense flavor, or design-wise.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 1:34AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 11, 2009
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The theme is similar to that of Alara Reborn. Instead of an all gold set though we're going to have an all Split card set.
One half of each card will be a permanent, and the other will be an instant or sorcery.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 1:47AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 16, 2005
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The theme is similar to that of Alara Reborn. Instead of an all gold set though we're going to have an all Split card set.
One half of each card will be a permanent, and the other will be an instant or sorcery.
Just that idea makes me go RRRRRRRRGGGGHHH
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 1:51AM
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Date Joined:
May 22, 2006
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So, the general form of ideal is, the final set will naturally expand upon umlticolor, but will it add more multi-color hate, via the guildless, or will that be the Return to Return to Ravnica?
Yes, in retrospect it's a bit obvious that they won't do shards. The inclusion of the split cards in the original set is what has been throwing me off, though I can't say I was a fan of them.
So if anything, the guilds will become more divided than ever from each other....And, with guildless being forced to choose sides... I can only imagine this is a territorial war, that will likely end with guilds owning, essentially, their own countries, or... ahem... city-states, especially since each guild has its own "religion" or high belief of some sort that puts it at such odds with all of the others, that there can be no unity. Which means Dragon's Maze is not the end of a battle. It's the very first outbreak of full out war, and the Return to Return to Ravnica, will be the violent falling out.
I definitely believe the Champions will be Rare, Legendary Creatures. And if Ral Zarek is the Izzet Mythic rare, then it can be determined that the other 9 guilds will recieve a mythic rare.
The tough part, is I can see where the design space will be exceptionally claustrophobic with DGM, if they intend to keep the guilds and mono-color in balance. Small assumptions following:
10 mythics
10 rare slots (1 for each champion)
If the formula for the other sets holds true, each guild, gets a hybrid at common, uncommon, rare? That would make 30. Unless we've already seen all of the hybrid that there will be. It does allow the set to be easier to draft that way though.... But if that's true... That means from this info alone, that would be a full third of the set. Which leads me to be the guilds would get Hybrids OR multicoloreds, and not both.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 2:49AM
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...If the formula for the other sets holds true, each guild, gets a hybrid at common, uncommon, rare? That would make 30. Unless we've already seen all of the hybrid that there will be. It does allow the set to be easier to draft that way though.... But if that's true... That means from this info alone, that would be a full third of the set. Which leads me to be the guilds would get Hybrids OR multicoloreds, and not both.
Mostly hybrids would make RTR+GTC+DMZ drafting a lot easier and potentially powerful. I like that idea! 
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 3:48AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 18, 2007
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Sooo....Simic will be have white instead of being G/U? Niv Mizzet, Lazav, Obzedot, Zegana, and all the rest are not the "champions?" I'm confused about parts of this conversation....
Anyway, I figure there'll be some good cards and unless a person reads the storyline it won't make much sense for a story. As mentioned in other threads, the storyline isn't very obvious to folks buying cards, just to the fans that read the ebooks and what-have-you (since WotC seems uninterested in making real books lately....and I'm still waiting for Innistrad-block to be written as that seems like a great storyline).
I look forward to a handful of good cards and a ton of questions as to what is happening. There'll probably be the usual two planeswalkers (Ral Zarek and some random new one that serves no purpose other than to fill a slot), mythics (hopefully one for each guild, be they creatures or spells), and rares for each monocolor and a few lands/artifacts/multicolor bombs, and then the usual mess of uncommons and commons that are reprints, trash, GILBIC, and actual good cards (like the charms and guildmages, not like Delver....).
Overall, it should be a good set for cards, but probably a frustrating set for storyline-via-cards. I think the story is probably good beginning to end if it could be read at once, but I'm a book-reading kind of guy and so might be biased in that regard. I look forward to it, but then again, I'm looking forward to Gatecrash this weekend still too.
If I'm right, I'm right. If I'm wrong, I still believe I'm right. Think of it as religion. dubito ergo sum.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 7:18AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 20, 2006
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The theme is similar to that of Alara Reborn. Instead of an all gold set though we're going to have an all Split card set.
One half of each card will be a permanent, and the other will be an instant or sorcery.
Just that idea makes me go RRRRRRRRGGGGHHH
I quit Magic FOREVER when they released the double-sided cards in Innistrad.
(...Luckily, forever wasn't a very long time...)
If they did that, I'd quit forever and ever and ever and EVER.
(Roughly half a year to nine months.)
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4 months ago ::
Jan 23, 2013 - 8:23AM
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Date Joined:
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Niv Mizzet, Lazav, Obzedot, Zegana, and all the rest are not the "champions?" I'm confused about parts of this conversation....
Niv  Mizzet  , Lazav  , Obze  dat  , Zegana  , Isp  eria  , Trostani  , Aurelia  , Rak  dos  , Jarad  , and Borbory  gmos  are the guild leaders of the new RTR/GTC/DGM block. The guild champions would be something like their 2nd in command or their respective guild's best warrior/asset beside the leader.
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