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5 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 5:30PM #1
jordanb92
Date Joined: Jan 18, 2013
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I have 2 questions about this card. 

the first ability is--(+1 loyalty points- until your next turn, whenever a creature deals combat damage to Vraska the Unseen, destroy that creature.

Can you cast that as an instant???

The second question is about the last ability. ---(-7 loyality points- put three 1/1 black assasin creature tokens on the battlefield with, whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game.

Does that include damage to creatures that oponent controls? 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 5:31PM #2
Enigma256
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Loyalty abilities are used at "sorcery timing"
they are not sorceries (or any kind of spell) but activated abilities

no, creatures are not players
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 5:39PM #3
jordanb92
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so as a "sorcery timing" it can be cast at any time similiar to an "instant"?
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 5:46PM #4
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sorcery timing= during your main phase when the stack is empty and you have priority.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 5:47AM #5
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Jan 22, 2013 -- 5:39PM, jordanb92 wrote:

so as a "sorcery timing" it can be cast at any time similiar to an "instant"?



No.

As warghoul says: sorcery timing= during your main phase when the stack is empty and you have priority.

And I add: instant timing = whenever you have priority

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 5:55AM #6
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Jan 22, 2013 -- 5:30PM, jordanb92 wrote:

the first ability is--(+1 loyalty points-


This wording makes me wonder... you do know about Loyalty counters, do you?

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 9:20AM #7
jordanb92
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well kinda...idk this is my first planeswalker. loyalty counters is the number in bottom right counter. the abilities use or gain you loyalty points. if your run out of loyalty points your planeswalker dies...Right?

that makes me think of another question. if a player attacks a planeswalker does it lose loyalty counters ? 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 9:24AM #8
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You add or remove loyalty counters when you activate a loyalty ability. A planeswalker usually enters the battlefield with a number of loyalty counters equal to the number in the lower right corner.

Any damage dealt to a planeswalker causes that many loyalty counters to be removed from him/her.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 9:28AM #9
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Jan 23, 2013 -- 9:20AM, jordanb92 wrote:

well kinda...idk this is my first planeswalker. loyalty counters is the number in bottom right counter. the abilities use or gain you loyalty points.




Not quite.

The number at the bottom says how many counters the planeswalker starts with. As Vraska enters the battlefield, you put 5 counters on her.


Once in your turn, in the main phase, you can activate a single ability of the planeswalker. The cost is to add or remove loyalty counters. For the "minu" abilities, you need to have enough counters on the planeswalker already.


So to activate Vraska's first ability, you add a counter to her. To activate the third ability, you need to remove 7 counters from her (so you need to have 7 or more already on her to do so).


if your run out of loyalty points your planeswalker dies...Right?



If the planeswalker reaches 0 counters, it goes to the graveyard (the word "dies" is used only for creatures).


that makes me think of another question. if a player attacks a planeswalker does it lose loyalty counters ?


 


Damage dealt to a planeswalker removes that much loyalty counters from it, yes.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 9:29AM #10
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The abilities of Planeswalkers are a type of Activated Ability called "Loyalty Abilities" - they require the addition or subtraction of the specified # of Loyalty Counters (some abilities don't require any change in Loyalty and have a cost of 0)

Loyalty abilities can only be used if:

-It's your main phase
-The stack is currently empty
-and you haven't used an ability of that particular Planeswalker yet this turn 

Planeswalkers can be attacked like you can be. The attacking player declares for each attacker that it's either attacking you or a planeswalker you control. Any damage dealt to a Planeswalker results in that many Loyalty Counters being removed from that PW.

Planeswalkers cannot be directly targeted by anything that says "target player" or "target opponent", but it is possible to re-direct NON-combat damage that would be dealt to an opposing player, to a Planeswalker that player controls.

For example: If you have Vraska out, I can target you with Lightning Bolt and if it resolves, I can re-direct all or none of that damage to Vraska. And this decision does not have to be announced until the spell or ability dealing the damage resolves, and there's no chance to respond after that spell or ability resolves. But I can't target Vraska directly with the Bolt, nor can I say "2 of it to Vraska and 1 to you" - it's all or nothing.

Hope that clears up exactly how Planeswalkers work! I know it's a bit more than you asked about but I've found that when I start explaining Planeswalkers to newer players that I usually end up explaining a lot more :p   (maybe it's a "me" problem... lol) 
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