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Flag Redmag3 • January 20, 2013 8:47 PM PST

Skullbriar

is out with no counters, I have an Infinite Reflection

out attached to my Lumberknot

.

During my opponent's turn he plays Planar Cleansing

killing the creatures and the enchantment, does Skullbriar end up with any +1/+1 counters? and do those counters stay on as it changes zones?

Flag cyphern • January 20, 2013 8:55 PM PST

No, it does not get any counters.

The "whenever a creature dies" ability on skullbriar-lumberknot does trigger, but since skullbriar doesn't exist when the ability resolves, the ability can't place a counter on it.

Flag Enigma256 • January 20, 2013 8:58 PM PST

the Skullbriar in the graveyard is a different object than the one that triggered on the battlefield
so the trigger can't find the Skullbriar to put counters on it

Flag Redmag3 • January 20, 2013 9:01 PM PST

ok, good to know.

Hypothetically, could I just Geth's Verdict

myself and sacrifice the Lumberknot

in response?

Would Skullbriar

get a counter in that situation?

Flag cyphern • January 20, 2013 9:04 PM PST

Jan 20, 2013 -- 9:01PM, Redmag3 wrote:
Hypothetically, could I just Geth's Verdict myself and sacrifice the Lumberknot in response?

Would Skullbriar get a counter in that situation?

It will get the counter, but it won't keep it.

For skullbriar's counter-keeping ability to work, it has to have the ability in the zone it is leaving, not the zone it is entering. Since it doesn't have the ability on the battlefield (due to the copy effect), it will not keep the counter.

9/22/2011 Skullbriar's last ability only works if it has that ability in the zone it's moving from. For example, with Yixlid Jailer ("Cards in graveyards lose all abilities") on the battlefield, a Skullbriar with a counter on it in a graveyard loses that counter when it's put onto the battlefield. Conversely, that Skullbriar moving from the graveyard to the battlefield would retain that counter if Humility ("All creatures lose all abilities and are 1/1") were on the battlefield; if Skullbriar then left the battlefield with Humility still on the battlefield, it would lose the counter.

Flag Redmag3 • January 20, 2013 9:10 PM PST

But if my Geth's Verdict

kills the Lumberknot

before Skullbriar

, doesn't it's "keep it's counters" ability turn back on when Infinite Reflection

is put in the grave first?

Flag Enigma256 • January 20, 2013 9:11 PM PST

when Infinite Reflection

leaves the battlefield all the copies remain in their current copy state
they don't revert back to their original form

Flag Redmag3 • January 20, 2013 9:12 PM PST

ahh, ok that's where I was having some confusion

Flag MRHblue • January 20, 2013 9:12 PM PST

Nothing has told teh copies to stop being copies.

Flag cyphern • January 20, 2013 9:13 PM PST

Jan 20, 2013 -- 9:10PM, Redmag3 wrote:
But if my Geth's Verdict kills the Lumberknot before Skullbriar , doesn't it's "keep it's counters" ability turn back on when Infinite Reflection is put in the grave first?

I actually thought the same thing as i was answering, but then i reread infinite reflection . Infinite reflection's effect does not end, even if infinite reflection leaves the battlefield.