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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 8:41PM #1
EyeballFrog
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It'd read far more naturally for a card like Prime Speaker Zegana to use "her" rather than "it" to refer to itself.  Seeing as planeswalkers already do this (see Gideon Jura , for example), any particular reason legendary creatures can't do it too?
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 9:15PM #2
MRHblue
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When Legends launched it was not an issue, and the status quo has held. It would be nice if they set the gender on the card as some are ambigious. 
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 1:22AM #3
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They want planeswalkers to be extra special.

Also, with legendary creatures, you don't just have gender; you also have plurals. Having individual cards use plural pronouns would get awkward.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 3:08AM #4
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I don't see why not, aside from the "not a cool planeswalker" and the extra work it would require when it is sufficient as it is. I think that maybe there's an opportunity  to reconsider whether this should remain exclusive to planeswalkers to not. And as for cards depicting multiple creatures, they can continue using "it". The same issue could happen for planeswalker cards depending on how a flavor would allow it? ( A planeswalking duo  may be an intersting idea to explore.)

Other cards to consider:
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Crovax, Ascendant Hero
Norin the Wary
Sakashima the impostor
Selenia, Dark Angel
Tahngarth, Talruum Hero
Wydwen, the Biting Gale
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 10:11AM #5
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Planeswalker transform duo... with the ability to tag team in and out!!

I agree with the pronouns. We all already do it. For plural just forego the pronoun and use the name.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 3:05PM #6
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Also in regards to gender, I really dislike that wizards use "His or her...".  I understand that they want to include females, but it's easier to just say "their" isn't it?
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 3:08PM #7
LunaStik
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There technically is no singular "their" in grammatically correct English. We may use it all the time, but that doesn't make it correct.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 3:14PM #8
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I'm not a trained liguist (unless you count law a lingual discipline), but from the minimal research I've done, "They/Them/Their" is an acceptable singular neutral pronoun in the modern English language.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 5:30PM #9
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Jan 21, 2013 -- 3:08AM, Soular wrote:

I don't see why not, aside from the "not a cool planeswalker" and the extra work it would require when it is sufficient as it is. I think that maybe there's an opportunity  to reconsider whether this should remain exclusive to planeswalkers to not. And as for cards depicting multiple creatures, they can continue using "it". The same issue could happen for planeswalker cards depending on how a flavor would allow it? ( A planeswalking duo  may be an intersting idea to explore.)

Other cards to consider:
Arcanis the Omnipotent



Is Arcanis Male or Female? How about the Eldazia?

Jan 21, 2013 -- 3:14PM, largebrandon wrote:

I'm not a trained liguist (unless you count law a lingual discipline), but from the minimal research I've done, "They/Them/Their" is an acceptable singular neutral pronoun in the modern English language.



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4 months ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 1:22AM #10
adeyke
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The singular "they" has been said, written, and understood for hundreds of years. It doesn't make sense to say that it's ungrammatical. English doesn't have a top-down authority.

However, the "he or she" also works, for the most part.
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