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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 6:41AM #1
Mata_Hari
Date Joined: Jul 5, 2008
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I refuse to play that way, ever. Not for a tournament, not for casual play. Mana burn was part of the game for nearly 20 years for a reason. It forces players to actually make calculated decisions with their resources. Without mana burn, players can just haphazardly tap their lands for mana in a sloppy manner. Mana burn also makes cards like Black Lotus, Sol Ring, and Mana Drain slightly balanced. Seriously, these cards would actually be considerably more powerful - if you can imagine that - without the threat of mana burn. Is this what we want? 

Then we have cards like Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Mishra's Workshop, and the Urza lands. You have to actually think before tapping this cards - if mana burn exists, as it should. 

And finally, there's cards like Power Surge, which were obviously designed with the reality of mana burn in mind. Of course, so was Mana Drain - the threat of mana burn was the only thing keeping it even slightly sane!! 

Why the hell did WotC throw mana burn on the scrapheap? My guess is it was to simplify the game yet further, for the Pokemon kids. Just like eliminating interrupts was. They have changed Magic: the Gathering far too many times in its short lifespan. Imagine if chess went through zillions of changes every decade? It wouldn't have lasted several centuries, that's for sure.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 7:04AM #2
Random_Kid
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Aside from a few anecdotal examples, mana burn doesn't come up nearly as often as anyone would think. At best, you might have had to take a hit from a dual land if you didn't have a firebreather out yet.

I remember when modern started and everything was thrown out the window. You want to talk about angry players over rules changes, maybe you should start there.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 7:05AM #3
JaxsonBateman
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Would someone seriously not run a Black Lotus for fear of mana burn? A Dark Ritual for the same reason? A Sol Ring along the same train of thought? I don't buy that. People will still use those cards if we revert back to mana burn, for the same reason that people still use City of Brass and Verdant Catacombs - the upside is definitely worth it.

The only cards it would significantly effect are cards which might forcefully dump a bucketload of mana on you at an inopportune time - like Omnath, Locus of Mana , Braid of Fire and Blinkmoth Urn .

Mana burn was fine when it was around, but the environment is more enjoyable and user friendly without it around. In any case, I feel like I was just trolled, but w/e. 
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 8:18AM #4
EyeballFrog
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...OK then.  Obvious joke thread is obvious.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 8:23AM #5
Terti
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Damage on the stack, please. :/
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 8:23AM #6
morticianjohn
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The number of games where mana burn actually came up were few and the number of games where mana burn actually made an effect on the outcome of the game were so few that I can honestly say I haven't noticed a difference in general gameplay.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 10:48AM #7
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Jun 27, 2012 -- 12:04AM, GM_Champion wrote:

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 12:49PM #8
GeekyDad
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I do remember a game where my opponent accidentally killed himself through mana burn. I think he was the guy who put the mana flares out, too. Then again, one of the spells in his combo was countered, so he couldn't sink all the mana into an X casting cost.

Oh well, I don't miss it too much. Lack of mana burn helps me in MtGO When I accidentally tap a land (hate that.) 
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 12:56PM #9
andoru
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Why wouldn't anyone follow the rules of the game? If you're not playing by the rules, then you're not playing Magic.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2013 - 1:07PM #10
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>Black Lotus
>Balanced
Pick one. 
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