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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 8:39AM
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I picked up the Ghave deck, which is very much geared towards making an army of tokens. However, after playing a few games, I don't see how it's a viable strategy when your entire army can be wiped for two mana  . How do you even design a working deck when there's so many across-the-board damage cards in the game?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 9:03AM
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Date Joined:
Dec 10, 2006
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If you're opponents are playing electrickery in an EDH, then you have a fortunate meta. Otherwise, I would say, find a way to make your tokens more resilient. I like making beasts from the baloths at EoT with that enchantment that sacs a creature to get a land in to play. Landfall is cool! Another beastly EoT tokens FTW is White Sun's Zenith  it's the poop. I would say, also, that you don't need a million tokens to kill someone, only more damage than they have life.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 9:17AM
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I picked up the Ghave deck, which is very much geared towards making an army of tokens. However, after playing a few games, I don't see how it's a viable strategy when your entire army can be wiped for two mana . How do you even design a working deck when there's so many across-the-board damage cards in the game?
It really depends on your play group. My playgroup has alot of slower decks that don't bother with the cheaper removal like that so its a race to see who can go off faster. Also, it helps if you have consistant ways of pumping your tokens from the base 1/1. My tokens are tribal based (Rhys elf engine; and to a lesser extent my Goblins are a token based deck because when things are going right, I will be abusing the token generators with the Skirk Prospector to play other goblin cards) so I get alot of pump from the lords ( Elvish Archdruid  / Imperious Perfect  or Goblin King  / Goblin Chieftain  ), Coat of Arms  , Door of Destinies  , and Eldrazi Monument  .if we are talking about damage removal.
Having good recursion helps alot as well. Recursion is probably one of the most important aspects of EDH/Commander format. In a format where things can go so random, being able to get back your good cards after several people wrath in a single game is a huge deal, which is why if you can put your effects on a creature/enchantment that is easier to recur over a one cast instant/sorcery, its generally worth your while even if it is a turn or 2 slower. Genesis  and Oversold Cemetery  are good starters
Another thing that can help is also making sure other people feel your pain when your stuff dies: Grave Pact  , Butcher of Malakir  , Blood Artist  , Stalking Vengeance  are all gold in decks where your focus is creatures and you want to make sure other people think twice about wrathing. I know I have times where I have been about to kill someone off with my Rhys deck and had Kamahl, Fist of Krosa  out when a Wrath was going down. I started turning people's lands into creatures and suddenly people were very interested in countering that Wrath.
Hope this helps you some.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 9:52AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 29, 2011
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You just need to make more tokens! My Rith deck (that's linked in my sig) does pretty well. The key is not to over extend. For instance, if you have a Mycoloth  and/or a Verdant Force  pumping out tokens, you could probably wait to play your Hero of Bladehold  . There's also Rootborn Defenses  and stuff like that.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 10:01AM
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This is why I do not build token decks while they alwyas look fun its that idea of all my hard work undone so easily
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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:51PM
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Having access to ghave means you always have access to a swarm that kills a lot of people should you drop craterhoof behemoth. I say no worries.
Also, cathars crusade.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:59PM
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Date Joined:
May 28, 2010
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Having access to ghave means you always have access to a swarm that kills a lot of people should you drop craterhoof behemoth. I say no worries. Also, cathars crusade.
I run craterhoof behemoth in Damia and he is a Brick..... house. Almost ever time he is resolved = a win for the good guys
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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 1:02PM
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Ive landed it early when it wasn't enough for the whole table, but always enough for at least one opponent.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 1:08PM
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Date Joined:
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Cathars' Crusade  is nuts. I just put together a Darien, King of Kjeldor  deck, where he's pretty much the only token generator. Cathars' Crusade can make my tokens so big so fast that you can recover very quickly from a board wipe. Also, good old Coat of Arms works very well if you are the only token player.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 2:13PM
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You just have to build a token deck that either grows too big to be dealt with easily, or is able to have burst swarms. As you're running Ghave; you can always just go and make it a combo swarm deck.
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