There are a lot of connections between the Guilds and groups of today. I have not found the connection between all the guilds yet, but I am sure someone here can find it. Currently I'll connect it to the Amurica situation.
(spelling errors may occur) Azorus- their government Boros- their military and police fOrce Dimir- Anonymous Orzhov- the church and religion Izzet- scientist Gruul-n/a Simic-n/a Selesnya-n/a Rakdos- extremist and Terrorists Golgari- n/a
Now some ofthese are completely obvious since that's what they do on ravnica. But it might help connect the guilds to you personally
There are a lot of connections between the Guilds and groups of today. I have not found the connection between all the guilds yet, but I am sure someone here can find it. Currently I'll connect it to the Amurica situation.(spelling errors may occur)
Azorius- their government Boros- their military and police force Dimir- Anonymous Orzhov- the church and religion Izzet- scientist Gruul-n/a Simic-n/a Selesnya-n/a Rakdos- extremist and Terrorists Golgari- n/a
Azorius is not just the government anymore, it also has a branch of the police force.
Boros is indeed military, but can also be likened to private security and military organizations.
Dimir can also be seen as government spies or double agents, not just Anonymous (and likening them to Anonymous is given Anon a bit too much credit, probably).
Orzhov is also organized crime; think Mafia.
Izzet are as much scientists as they are electricity and water companies.
If you want to compare Gruul to something in modern-day USA, try seeing them as vocal eco-activists or something like Occupy Wall Street (although that also may be the Gateless).
Simic is also a science branch.
Selesnya is as much a church as the Orzhov, although they're crazier to some extent. Maybe the more vocal parts of religious demographic can be found here.
Rakdos are probably not the guild to put the extremists in. Terrorists, maybe, but they're also the creative part of the entertainment industry.
Golgari is waste-disposal (a vital part of any successful society).
Azorius is not just the government anymore, it also has a branch of the police force.Boros is indeed military, but can also be likened to private security and military organizations.Dimir can also be seen as government spies or double agents, not jus
I know Orzhov is suppose to be mafia like, but it's a guise of the church.
I know their roles in ravnica itself. But look a little more deeply into today's society.
Radkos maybe better suited for the media as you are correct they are entertainment. Often entertainment at anothers expense (poparazzi of you will)
I like the idea as simic being medical related
I know Orzhov is suppose to be mafia like, but it's a guise of the church.I know their roles in ravnica itself. But look a little more deeply into today's society.Radkos maybe better suited for the media as you are correct they are entertainment. Oft
Dimir controls the traffic of information. I connected it to Anon because they dont use physical force as power they use information and the control of it. What everyone hides they find out. They are secretive (as their is no just one person leading or controlling the whole thing. If their was no one whould know)
I dont believe selesnya would be the church. The church is much more tyranical. Selesnya isnt that devious, but they are snobby.
The church has tons of money, it stores and controls. Have killed people for money, for their beliefs, for their lies. It involves after death (hypothetical heavan and hell as it were, angels and demons (white and black).
Some of the guilds in modern day my not make as a big an impact as they do in ravnica. Like i said i know their jobs in ravnica (favorite block of all time). But their a sly conections to our modern day.
Of course in real life the intereactions between the guilds would be a little more involved with each other. Azorious (Government) having those who previous belonged or have connection to Dimir (Anon). Which would be seen as the secret service ( ). Which would have a similair connection to things like Templars (of the same connection as it is the churchs secret service)
Maybe Selesnya would be seen as upper class and Golgari as lower class. Middle would probably be amalgamtion as you can go up and down just enough to fall into one or the other ( )
Dimir controls the traffic of information. I connected it to Anon because they dont use physical force as power they use information and the control of it. What everyone hides they find out. They are secretive (as their is no just one person leading
We should also place that their are the guildless, just people who live in ravnica as the guilds around them act and control. Maybe seen as the colourless ( )
These are probably the people who just live in the world without making any impact to it. head in the ground, dont cause problems type of people.
We should also place that their are the guildless, just people who live in ravnica as the guilds around them act and control. Maybe seen as the colourless ( :infinitem: )These are probably the people who just live in the world without making any imp
The Selesnya are theoretically a metaphor for communism, and Trotskyism at that. They generally are either portrayed as stalinists (assimilation) or as scandinavian socialists (altruism), however.
The Selesnya are theoretically a metaphor for communism, and Trotskyism at that. They generally are either portrayed as stalinists (assimilation) or as scandinavian socialists (altruism), however.
I'm going to ignore guild politics because we all know that all the guilds are bastards.
Officially:
The Azorius are the political system on Ravnica. Courts, Senates, etc. They also control the police force.
The Selesnya are architects and dedicate themselves the beautification of Ravnica. So they're in charge of things like parks and gardens, and their respective maintenance and protection.
The Izzet control the infrastructure. Buildings, plumping, power, etc. They also do comission work for other guilds, such as building weapons systems for the Boros.
The Golgari are Ravnica's waste management. Sewers are their thing, as is removing of corpses. They also handle most of Ravnica's agriculture.
The Rakdos are Ravnica's manual labor. They handle the building of things and the mining of resources. They also hold claim over much of Ravnica's entertainment. Gambling halls, strip clubs, arenas, snuff clubs, what have you. Also, if you need someone assassinated, and don't care who knows, they'll do it for cheap because its fun.
The Boros are Ravnica's police force (the Azorius' police seem more akin to the FBI) and PMCs.
The Gruul are pretty damned disenfranchised. Officially, they're responsible for maintaining Ravnica's non-urbanized locales, but most of that has been taken over by the other green guilds.
The Simic are Ravnica's doctors and medical researchers. Under Zegana's leadership, they've also reclaimed their old role as preservers of Ravnican wildlife; engineering species to be more suited to Ravnican life and reintroducing species (often at the expense of the local residents).
The Orzhov are Ravnica's economy. Stock markets, banks, that sort of thing. If you need a loan, they're who you head to. They also act as lawyers.
The Dimir are stewards of knowledge. So they act as couriers and librarians. This also gives them expertise in espionage and the black market. If you want someone killed, but want more subtlety than the Rakdos, they're who to ask.
I'm going to ignore guild politics because we all know that all the guilds are bastards.Officially:The Azorius are the political system on Ravnica. Courts, Senates, etc. They also control the police force. The Selesnya are architects and dedicate the
I'm going to ignore guild politics because we all know that all the guilds are bastards.
Officially:
The Simic are architects and dedicate themselves the beautification of Ravnica. So they're in charge of things like parks and gardens, and their respective maintenance and protection.
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The Simic are Ravnica's doctors and medical researchers. Under Zegana's leadership, they've also reclaimed their old role as preservers of Ravnican wildlife; engineering species to be more suited to Ravnican life and reintroducing species (often at the expense of the local residents).
Comparing the Dimir to Anonymous really doesn't work at all. The problem with that comparison is that their mode of operation, beyond superficial similarities, is actually COMPLETELY different. Anonymous is entirely dependent upon people watching it. It craves attention, it craves media coverage, and it craves the big, dramatic show of power. It utilizes secrecy for sure, but not in the tactical way that the Dimir does. Their greatest weapon is the revelation of truth not the masking of it.
They are really nothing alike.
Also, Dimir is a not-total-nonsense Illuminati conspiracy. Anonymous does stuff, as Cato points out, For The Lulz.
Comparing the Dimir to Anonymous really doesn't work at all. The problem with that comparison is that their mode of operation, beyond superficial similarities, is actually COMPLETELY different. Anonymous is entirely dependent upon people watching it.
Comparing the Dimir to Anonymous really doesn't work at all. The problem with that comparison is that their mode of operation, beyond superficial similarities, is actually COMPLETELY different. Anonymous is entirely dependent upon people watching it. It craves attention, it craves media coverage, and it craves the big, dramatic show of power. It utilizes secrecy for sure, but not in the tactical way that the Dimir does. Their greatest weapon is the revelation of truth not the masking of it.
They are really nothing alike.
Also, Dimir is a not-total-nonsense Illuminati conspiracy. Anonymous does stuff, as Cato points out, For The Lulz.
To be fair, Dimir motivations also boil down to "for the hell of it".
Anonymous actually seems more aligned with Rakdos, only far more strategic.
To be fair, Dimir motivations also boil down to "for the hell of it".Anonymous actually seems more aligned with Rakdos, only far more strategic.
Comparing the Dimir to Anonymous really doesn't work at all. The problem with that comparison is that their mode of operation, beyond superficial similarities, is actually COMPLETELY different. Anonymous is entirely dependent upon people watching it. It craves attention, it craves media coverage, and it craves the big, dramatic show of power. It utilizes secrecy for sure, but not in the tactical way that the Dimir does. Their greatest weapon is the revelation of truth not the masking of it.
They are really nothing alike.
Also, Dimir is a not-total-nonsense Illuminati conspiracy. Anonymous does stuff, as Cato points out, For The Lulz.
And control for what? Because they feel like it. Indeed, Maro's article about Blue/Black renders the differences in motivations between the two colours as basically the White/Red conflict: Blue feels it has a sense of responsibility, while Black just does whatever the hell it wants.
And control for what? Because they feel like it. Indeed, Maro's article about Blue/Black renders the differences in motivations between the two colours as basically the White/Red conflict: Blue feels it has a sense of responsibility, while Black just
And control for what? Because they feel like it. Indeed, Maro's article about Blue/Black renders the differences in motivations between the two colours as basically the White/Red conflict: Blue feels it has a sense of responsibility, while Black just does whatever the hell it wants.
We don't know the end goal for the Dimir (Lazav/Szadek really). So we can't say it's "for the hell of it".
And control for what? Because they feel like it. Indeed, Maro's article about Blue/Black renders the differences in motivations between the two colours as basically the White/Red conflict: Blue feels it has a sense of responsibility, while Black just
This is why I hate trying to talk about guilds as a whole, it's so meaningless in so many conversations. There's so many layers to all of the guilds.
The Dimir have assassins and spies and evil back-stabbing pricks. But they're also the patron guild of librarians.
OGRESONIONS GUILDS EXIST IN LAYERS
This is why I hate trying to talk about guilds as a whole, it's so meaningless in so many conversations.There's so many layers to all of the guilds.The Dimir have assassins and spies and evil back-stabbing pricks.But they're also the patron guild of
As you often remind us, some are in for the knowledge.
Other Dimir see knowledge as the tool, and power as the end goal.
“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.” ― George Orwell, 1984
Like throctar says, this is only part of House Dimir.
“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand p
To be fair, we also don't know if the real reason Dimir wants power is just for the hell of it and Lazhav then decided to make up some good reasons that are easier to grok for others and that's the version they're feeding us.
There's a strong component of white to the party as well, innit?
To be fair, we also don't know if the real reason Dimir wants power is just for the hell of it and Lazhav then decided to make up some good reasons that are easier to grok for others and that's the version they're feeding us. :-P There's a strong com
There's a strong component of white to the party as well, innit?
Their double-thinking makes them believe in their own rhetoric - at the same time they see it as fraudulent -, and there's nothing about them other than manipulation - Maro considers V from V for Vendetta to be / -, so theoretically they're / with some splashed in.
Their double-thinking makes them believe in their own rhetoric - at the same time they see it as fraudulent -, and there's nothing :u: about them other than manipulation - Maro considers V from V for Vendetta to be :w:/:r: -, so theoretically they're
I don't think you guys understand the party. It is about progress (blue) toward power (black). Just read the quote I posted. It is about a twisted goal of self-propagating violence and control. It has no concern for the community outside of a controlling it for the sake of controlling it. Now white IS fascism. But The Party is beyond that, they even say it. White fascisms have potentially noble goals, even if they come across horribly. The Party has no such thing. It exists ONLY for the sake of power, and to work hard in keeping that power. It is u/b at its absolute worst. Of course you can make arguments that different organizations within the party might have different color influence (it's control on a massive scale). But the innermost group that knows the truth (O'Brien) is nothing other than u/b.
To those who would say "The party isn't blue" clearly haven't read the book or any writings on it. The Party is entierly about progress, it is just monsterous progress. Progress of repression and control. Progress of holding society down. No one else works harder to opress its people. And there are no noble intentions. Only power. It is the greatest circlejerking dystopia there is.
Doublethink is also comparable to me as self-memory warping. Because they truly hold simultanious contradictory views, but those in the inner workings do not have this hypocrisy through any means such as 'faith' or 'belief'. They hold their beliefs because they are facts. The Party controls reality because they control perception. Nothing they disagree with can be true, because nothing they disagree with exists.
I don't think you guys understand the party. It is about progress (blue) toward power (black). Just read the quote I posted. It is about a twisted goal of self-propagating violence and control. It has no concern for the community outside of a control
To those who would say "The party isn't blue" clearly haven't read the book or any writings on it. The Party is entierly about progress, it is just monsterous progress. Progress of repression and control. Progress of holding society down. No one else works harder to opress its people.
You cannot hope to beat The Party in an oppress-off. They are simply the best there is.
Incidentally, we might contrast the Party with the upper part of the Brave New World. The Party is a society still seeking the holy grail of absolute power and working on designing new technologies of subversion and despair--hence the continued development of Newspeak into purer and purer forms. The Brave New World, in contrast, builds monuments to science, certainly, but they reached a certain point and then made forward momentum impossible. Science requires at least some measure of innovative thinking, and the Brave New World just isn't interested in that. Any monuments to science are monuments to science in the past, the science that got them to the point they seem to have stayed at for decades. The Alphas are nominally smarter than everyone else, but there's really nothing blue about them, except for a handful that go rogue. (Ahaha. Blue rogues. Haha. Heh.) If Ingsoc is progress toward the Grim Meathook Future disguised as stability, Brave New World is stagnation masked as progress. The two are inversions of themselves even in their inversion.
That leads me to an interesting notion, though... I'm applying to a number of grad schools in media studies right now, and I ended up looking at a whole bunch of places in Canada because the schools here seem to be focused, for the most part, on the practical side of media production. If you're familiar with my writings on media, you'll know that I think media literacy is something you have to teach. We can't just look at images and know how to read it, because images contain just as much subtext as any other kind of text does.
So, how would you describe a set of researchers who are teaching the next generation of advertisers and media specialists? Well, they're teaching people to create texts that cannot be read by the majority of the population, texts that work on the level of subtext to promote responses that will end up yoked not to the mechanical and technical part of the work but to the tangible detail (usually "Buy this product! Vote for this politician! Agree with this opinion!").
With that in mind, I suggest that the Dimir in our society are the media industries and the academics that support them with new technologies of covert communication.
Think about it--who has the best libraries? Who best controls the flow of information? Who decides what people are talking about, sometimes without people even being aware of the origin of their conversation?
The Dimir.
The Media.
They are one and the same.
I would not be surprised to find that just about every newspaper on Ravnica was controlled by the Dimir. Everything there is, after all, an exaggeration of real life, so hey, extrapolate out how local papers are now predominantly owned by giant, international corporations... And I wonder, are the Rakdos really the ones who decide on the entertainment for the citizens of Ravnica? Or is someone pulling the strings of those strange marionettes?
I think this really gets at why the Dimir are so scary. They are plausible. You don't even need giant paranoid conspiracy theories of the New World Order, you just need enough people that want a certain amount of power, and that understand enough about how language and culture works that they can GET power without anyone noticing they've done it.
You cannot hope to beat The Party in an oppress-off. They are simply the best there is.Incidentally, we might contrast the Party with the upper part of the Brave New World. The Party is a society still seeking the holy grail of absolute power and wor
I think this really gets at why the Dimir are so scary. They are plausible. You don't even need giant paranoid conspiracy theories of the New World Order, you just need enough people that want a certain amount of power, and that understand enough about how language and culture works that they can GET power without anyone noticing they've done it.
Yes, but an organisation as utterly secretive as the Dimir is nigh impossible. You can manipulate all you want, but sooner or latter your cover is blown.
This is why the Illuminati are considered ridiculous.
Yes, but an organisation as utterly secretive as the Dimir is nigh impossible. You can manipulate all you want, but sooner or latter your cover is blown.This is why the Illuminati are considered ridiculous.
To those who would say "The party isn't blue" clearly haven't read the book or any writings on it. The Party is entierly about progress, it is just monsterous progress. Progress of repression and control. Progress of holding society down. No one else works harder to opress its people.
You cannot hope to beat The Party in an oppress-off. They are simply the best there is.
Incidentally, we might contrast the Party with the upper part of the Brave New World. The Party is a society still seeking the holy grail of absolute power and working on designing new technologies of subversion and despair--hence the continued development of Newspeak into purer and purer forms. The Brave New World, in contrast, builds monuments to science, certainly, but they reached a certain point and then made forward momentum impossible. Science requires at least some measure of innovative thinking, and the Brave New World just isn't interested in that. Any monuments to science are monuments to science in the past, the science that got them to the point they seem to have stayed at for decades. The Alphas are nominally smarter than everyone else, but there's really nothing blue about them, except for a handful that go rogue. (Ahaha. Blue rogues. Haha. Heh.) If Ingsoc is progress toward the Grim Meathook Future disguised as stability, Brave New World is stagnation masked as progress. The two are inversions of themselves even in their inversion.
That leads me to an interesting notion, though... I'm applying to a number of grad schools in media studies right now, and I ended up looking at a whole bunch of places in Canada because the schools here seem to be focused, for the most part, on the practical side of media production. If you're familiar with my writings on media, you'll know that I think media literacy is something you have to teach. We can't just look at images and know how to read it, because images contain just as much subtext as any other kind of text does.
So, how would you describe a set of researchers who are teaching the next generation of advertisers and media specialists? Well, they're teaching people to create texts that cannot be read by the majority of the population, texts that work on the level of subtext to promote responses that will end up yoked not to the mechanical and technical part of the work but to the tangible detail (usually "Buy this product! Vote for this politician! Agree with this opinion!").
With that in mind, I suggest that the Dimir in our society are the media industries and the academics that support them with new technologies of covert communication.
Think about it--who has the best libraries? Who best controls the flow of information? Who decides what people are talking about, sometimes without people even being aware of the origin of their conversation?
The Dimir.
The Media.
They are one and the same.
I would not be surprised to find that just about every newspaper on Ravnica was controlled by the Dimir. Everything there is, after all, an exaggeration of real life, so hey, extrapolate out how local papers are now predominantly owned by giant, international corporations... And I wonder, are the Rakdos really the ones who decide on the entertainment for the citizens of Ravnica? Or is someone pulling the strings of those strange marionettes?
I think this really gets at why the Dimir are so scary. They are plausible. You don't even need giant paranoid conspiracy theories of the New World Order, you just need enough people that want a certain amount of power, and that understand enough about how language and culture works that they can GET power without anyone noticing they've done it.
"What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egotism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that our desire will ruin us." - Neil Postman in his book Amusing Ourselves to Death.
You might find the book interesting.
You cannot hope to beat The Party in an oppress-off. They are simply the best there is.Incidentally, we might contrast the Party with the upper part of the Brave New World. The Party is a society still seeking the holy grail of absolute power and wor
No, Rakdos is Anonymous. They did it for the lulz.
Gruul's AIM, PLO, ANC, Idle No More, whatever you want to call them.
It's actually Azorius. -ius is used sometimes as a genitive form in Latin. Other than that, your spelling's perfect.No, Rakdos is Anonymous. They did it for the lulz.Gruul's AIM, PLO, ANC, Idle No More, whatever you want to call them.
I've seen the infographic that's floated around the internet for a while now. I should probably pick up the book. On the face of it, I think it would be easy to take that argument and use it to enshrine books against all other media, which seems to me like it's kinda missing the point... but at the same time, yeah, I think there's a lot of merit to the basic comparison.
@Shamsiel:
We live in an age where the head of a major international news agency can hand-pick who he wants to run for President, his agents can be caught on tape in @&#$ stereo making the offer of full support and the transfer of company personel to the campaign, and every other news organization decides that it's just not interesting enough to talk about.
There are many reasons why the Illuminati conspiracy, specifically, is absurd.
The vaunted will of the American People to uncover the Truth is not one of those reasons.
@Jivan:I've seen the infographic that's floated around the internet for a while now. I should probably pick up the book. On the face of it, I think it would be easy to take that argument and use it to enshrine books against all other media, which see
No, Rakdos is Anonymous. They did it for the lulz.
That's just an expression. Anonymous is about the preservation and spread of the truth.
Why so serious?
Also, the dimir != the party. The party isn't at all about progress, it's simple, brutal, sadism, the same kind that has been practiced since the birth of humanity. Their technology isn't advanced, and their society is actually regressing. The Dimir are not sadists, they might do evil things, but they do so as a means to an end, not an end in and of its self.
No, Rakdos is Anonymous. They did it for the lulz.[/quote]That's just an expression.Anonymous is about the preservation and spread of the truth. [/quote]Why so serious?Also, the dimir != the party. The party isn't at all about progress, it's simple
To those who would say "The party isn't blue" clearly haven't read the book or any writings on it. The Party is entierly about progress, it is just monsterous progress. Progress of repression and control. Progress of holding society down. No one else works harder to opress its people. And there are no noble intentions. Only power. It is the greatest circlejerking dystopia there is.
That's not progress. As said previously, not only is their technology stactic is not outright decaying, but also all changes that happen are to better fit the war [masquerade?].
I'm not opposed to call them aligned, but they don't have motivations and arguably even means (theirs can easily be mono- or methods).
That's not progress. As said previously, not only is their technology stactic is not outright decaying, but also all changes that happen are to better fit the war [masquerade?].I'm not opposed to call them :u: aligned, but they don't have :u: motivat
Oh yeah, and I DID read 1984, it was a great book. For a few weeks, I made connections between it and everything. Then I got over that phase. You probably will too soon enough.
Oh yeah, and I DID read 1984, it was a great book. For a few weeks, I made connections between it and everything. Then I got over that phase. You probably will too soon enough.
No, Rakdos is Anonymous. They did it for the lulz.
That's just an expression. Anonymous is about the preservation and spread of the truth.
Still, "for the lulz" summarizes Anonymous.
Gruul is indigenous rights groups, as I mentioned. Even though we could very well be monored or red/white. Green is what certain individuals, a very vocal majority, think we are.
No, Rakdos is Anonymous. They did it for the lulz.[/quote]That's just an expression.Anonymous is about the preservation and spread of the truth. [/quote]Still, "for the lulz" summarizes Anonymous.Gruul is indigenous rights groups, as I mentioned. Ev
Dimir are also librarians and mailmen. This seems to get overlooked a lot.
I misread 'librarians' as 'libertarians'.
Why should Big Government™ regulate information flow? Let the invisible hand be truly invisible!
I misread 'librarians' as 'libertarians'.Why should Big Government™ regulate information flow? Let the invisible hand be truly invisible![/quote]:rofl:
No, Rakdos is Anonymous. They did it for the lulz.
That's just an expression. Anonymous is about the preservation and spread of the truth.
Still, "for the lulz" summarizes Anonymous.
Gruul is indigenous rights groups, as I mentioned. Even though we could very well be monored or red/white. Green is what certain individuals, a very vocal majority, think we are.
Depends on the aspect of .
If it's nature, then no. If it's spirituality or traditions, then maybe. If it's community, then yes.
No, Rakdos is Anonymous. They did it for the lulz.[/quote]That's just an expression.Anonymous is about the preservation and spread of the truth. [/quote]Still, "for the lulz" summarizes Anonymous.Gruul is indigenous rights groups, as I mentioned. Ev
Gruul is indigenous rights groups, as I mentioned. Even though we could very well be monored or red/white. Green is what certain individuals, a very vocal majority, think we are.
Depends on the aspect of .
If it's nature, then no.
I disagree. The Gruul are into nature by way of that they're anti-civilization. They believe when a society gets to a certain scale, you lose track of the little things, the individual.
They seem just as offended by the perversion of the human (or whatever) spirit as they do of the landscape
Depends on the aspect of :g:.If it's nature, then no.[/quote]I disagree.The Gruul are into nature by way of that they're anti-civilization.They believe when a society gets to a certain scale, you lose track of the little things, the individual. The
Oh yeah, and I DID read 1984, it was a great book. For a few weeks, I made connections between it and everything. Then I got over that phase. You probably will too soon enough.
Well that was incredibly passive aggressive of you. Also, read the book more than once and you'll see it. You gain nothing from reading something once or twice.
If you think the party is the same sadism that is inherent to our species you just don't get just how cruel they are. They are indeed about progress. Just not the type you're thinking of. It's downward progress toward the continuation of their power.
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” “If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.” “But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.” “If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable - what then?”
All incredibly Dimir thoughts. All said by O'Brien. And Dimir does not represent the entire party. Only ther higher ups within it (and not even completely. Guilds existing in layers and whatnot).
Well that was incredibly passive aggressive of you. Also, read the book more than once and you'll see it. You gain nothing from reading something once or twice.If you think the party is the same sadism that is inherent to our species you just don't g
Oh yeah, and I DID read 1984, it was a great book. For a few weeks, I made connections between it and everything. Then I got over that phase. You probably will too soon enough.
Well that was incredibly passive aggressive of you. Also, read the book more than once and you'll see it. You gain nothing from reading something once or twice.
If you think the party is the same sadism that is inherent to our species you just don't get just how cruel they are. They are indeed about progress. Just not the type you're thinking of. It's downward progress toward the continuation of their power.
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” “If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.” “But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.” “If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable - what then?”
All incredibly Dimir thoughts. All said by O'Brien. And Dimir does not represent the entire party. Only ther higher ups within it (and not even completely. Guilds existing in layers and whatnot).
I don't think you fully understand the meaning of "passive aggressive", because it means a thing, and I was doing a thing, except it wasn't the same thing, so what you just said makes a complete lack of sense. And I'm sorry I cannot understand the deep and complex meanings of the book that only you seem able to grasp. Maybe I should lock my room and reread the book 20 times, so that I could understand the truth which only you seem to possess. I mean, if I read the book as much as you did, I could probably understand it even better than Orwell. But hey, even then my opinions probably couldn't be anywhere near as valid as yours.
As for the quotes, those illustrate some means which the Dimir use to achieve their ends, but they really don't have the same ends. If anything, I'd say the party is more like the Orzhov: a large number of faithful at the bottom, with the ghost council (inner party) at the top exercising control over them. The Dimir couldn't care less about the masses or having people in pain or the blind obedience (which is the name of a spoiled Orzhov card by the way) of their peons or "progress", they just want to win the big chess game.
Well that was incredibly passive aggressive of you. Also, read the book more than once and you'll see it. You gain nothing from reading something once or twice.If you think the party is the same sadism that is inherent to our species you just don't g
Oh yeah, and I DID read 1984, it was a great book. For a few weeks, I made connections between it and everything. Then I got over that phase. You probably will too soon enough.
Well that was incredibly passive aggressive of you. Also, read the book more than once and you'll see it. You gain nothing from reading something once or twice.
If you think the party is the same sadism that is inherent to our species you just don't get just how cruel they are. They are indeed about progress. Just not the type you're thinking of. It's downward progress toward the continuation of their power.
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” “If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.” “But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.” “If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable - what then?”
All incredibly Dimir thoughts. All said by O'Brien. And Dimir does not represent the entire party. Only ther higher ups within it (and not even completely. Guilds existing in layers and whatnot).
I don't think you fully understand the meaning of "passive aggressive", because it means a thing, and I was doing a thing, except it wasn't the same thing, so what you just said makes a complete lack of sense. And I'm sorry I cannot understand the deep and complex meanings of the book that only you seem able to grasp. Maybe I should lock my room and reread the book 20 times, so that I could understand the truth which only you seem to possess. I mean, if I read the book as much as you did, I could probably understand it even better than Orwell. But hey, even then my opinions probably couldn't be anywhere near as valid as yours.
As for the quotes, those illustrate some means which the Dimir use to achieve their ends, but they really don't have the same ends. If anything, I'd say the party is more like the Orzhov: a large number of faithful at the bottom, with the ghost council (inner party) at the top exercising control over them. The Dimir couldn't care less about the masses or having people in pain or the blind obedience (which is the name of a spoiled Orzhov card by the way) of their peons or "progress", they just want to win the big chess game.
Did I insult you personally in some way? You're being quite an ass about this.
While there may be some similarities between The Party and the Orzhov they are minimal. The Party has absolutely no concern for anything besides power. There is no self-delusion that the world is better with them in charge as with the Orzhov. The biggest problem with the Dimir-Party comparison is that we do not have the true motives spelled out for us. We only know they wish to control Ravnica at all costs (Power for the sake of power). Now of course there could be different deeper motives (that nasty 'guilds in layers business'). It is definitely NOT a far leap in assuming that 2 systems both having similar goals and incredibly similar means are in fact similar.
You said you said you used to compare The Party and everything when you first read the book. Well there are very few things that are an adequate comparison to The Party beyond just surface similarities. I believe The Dimir have such things, and they are not very subtle.
Well that was incredibly passive aggressive of you. Also, read the book more than once and you'll see it. You gain nothing from reading something once or twice.If you think the party is the same sadism that is inherent to our species you just don't g
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