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4 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 1:07PM #1
draco_pryde
Date Joined: Sep 14, 2005
Posts: 746
So this is me trying my hand at a rat deck, suggestions/thoughts?

2 x Marrow-Gnawer
2 x Ogre Slumlord
3 x Pack Rat
3 x Swarm of Rats
4 x Nezumi Bone-Reader
4 x Ravenous Rats
4 x Typhoid Rats
4 x Doom Blade
4 x Tragic slip
4 x Dark Ritual
4 x Bad Moon
22 x Swamp


I want to add Swarmyard but I don't have any.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 1:16PM #2
Terti
Date Joined: Nov 24, 2011
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Why the Dark Rituals? You have no three drops that are insane when powered out on turn one, no heavy curve to make up for, and little chance to play two rats off of it T1 since you only have four one-drops. If your 5-drops are the sole concern, you might as well play two more lands and open up two slots .
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 1:25PM #3
draco_pryde
Date Joined: Sep 14, 2005
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Basically because the marrow and the ogre are killer if dropped early, and I can't think of anything else I'd want add in my price range that would be better then that(options I like being $5+).
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 6:00PM #4
slave
Date Joined: Jul 22, 2011
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Card draw helps Rack Rat to be killer.
I'd add a few Phyrexian Arena , maybe a couple tutors to find what you want. 
This would work well with Bone-Reader, as otherwise Bone-reader is massive card-disadvantage together with Pack Rat. 
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 9:38PM #5
sliverknight
Date Joined: Sep 1, 2012
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Try Throat Slitter , Nezumi graverobber , Patron of the Nezumi , or Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni . Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni is like 5 bucks though...
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 9:53PM #6
El_Pared
Date Joined: Mar 3, 2005
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what about Nezumi Shortfang ?

also for draw you could use Altar's Reap , or Sign in Blood  
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2013 - 7:36AM #7
draco_pryde
Date Joined: Sep 14, 2005
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 6:00PM, slave wrote:

Card draw helps Rack Rat to be killer.
I'd add a few Phyrexian Arena , maybe a couple tutors to find what you want. 
This would work well with Bone-Reader, as otherwise Bone-reader is massive card-disadvantage together with Pack Rat. 



I put the Packs in here basically as more Swarm of Rats and only use the second ability if I just have an extra land I don't need, so the card advantge isn't a big factor. Also I mainly use the Nezumi on tokens or to get a second use out of the Ravenous Rats.

Jan 17, 2013 -- 9:38PM, sliverknight wrote:

Try Throat Slitter , Nezumi graverobber , Patron of the Nezumi , or Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni . Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni is like 5 bucks though...



The Kamigawa rats are awesome but kinda high which is why I mostly stuck to regular rats.

Jan 17, 2013 -- 9:53PM, El_Pared wrote:

what about Nezumi Shortfang ?

also for draw you could use Altar's Reap , or Sign in Blood  



My basic Mono-Black spell package(what I start out with before making changes to fit each build) is:

4 x Dark Ritual
4 x Doom Blade
4 x Dash Hopes
4 x Sign in Blood

I thought the slips would be good with all the sacrifices and the badmoons to get my rats out of POP rangeI could put the bloods back in but I dunno what to take out and would need to playtest/tweak it.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2013 - 6:12PM #8
palidanmage
Date Joined: Feb 7, 2012
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Hey Draco its nice to see the deck build. The only suggestion that I am going to make is to sub out Nezumi Bone-Reader for a rat that will be a better fit in the deck. Other than that I would do some playtesting with the deck before you make any changes, but good luck with the deck.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2013 - 7:04PM #9
El_Pared
Date Joined: Mar 3, 2005
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I can see the other cards, but why Dash Hopes of all things?  That card is awful.  I've only ever let a Dash Hopes counter a spell once, because I was at 4 life.  Maybe it works in your play group, but I always pay the 5 life unless I can't.

anyways since everyone's suggesting removing Bone Readers, I'll again suggest you replace him with Nezumi Shortfang who is slower and costs 1 more to activate, but doesn't need to eat a creature to do his thing.  Also the flipped version of him is The Rack which is pretty nice, especially if you're actually running The Rack

I like Bone Reader and Shortfang in the same deck, though, because bone readers can eat unflipped shortfangs if you've already flipped a shortfang in order to avoid a "legend bomb"
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 1:23PM #10
draco_pryde
Date Joined: Sep 14, 2005
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Its true most people will just pay the life to counter Dash hopes, but in that case its still 5 damage for 2 mana. I tend to slug it out in games(life total-wise) so an extra five damage helps. I also usually run them in decks like my zombie one with Shepherd of Rot & Gempalm Polluter . in anycase its a moot point as they're not in this deck. I think I may swap in the shortfangs, I had the bone-Readers in here because I already had them and he gives you another use for the rat tokens besides slamming them into the opponent or chump blocking, plus he turns on the slips if you need it.
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