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Flag kbcoder January 16, 2013 8:13 PM PST
This card says Enchanted land has 'tap': prevent the next 1 damage that would be dealt to you this turn.

Ok, does this mean, if I have that enchanted on a land, and I have 4 lands total, and play a creature that cost 4 lands (meaning that that one would then tap), does it activate it's ability? to prevent damage.

Also, since it says it prevent 1 damage to YOU, does that mean it will prevent a damage to a creature even if that creature is blocking.

Flag Chaikov January 16, 2013 8:15 PM PST
Flag Chaikov January 16, 2013 8:17 PM PST

Jan 16, 2013 -- 8:13PM, kbcoder wrote:

Ok, does this mean, if I have that enchanted on a land, and I have 4 lands total, and play a creature that cost 4 lands (meaning that that one would then tap), does it activate it's ability? to prevent damage.


No. You may tap the enchanted land to obtain mana OR to prevent damage; not both.

Jan 16, 2013 -- 8:13PM, kbcoder wrote:

since it says it prevent 1 damage to YOU, does that mean it will prevent a damage to a creature even if that creature is blocking.


No. It cannot prevent damage on creature. Only on YOU, the player.

Flag ikegami January 16, 2013 11:22 PM PST

Jan 16, 2013 -- 8:13PM, kbcoder wrote:

play a creature that cost 4 lands


1. One casts a creature. This use of play was obsoleted in 2009.

2. Nothing costs 4 lands. I believe you meant "4 mana". Mana is usually produced by lands, but mana and lands are entirely separate things.

Flag CommanderJim January 16, 2013 11:32 PM PST

Jan 16, 2013 -- 11:22PM, ikegami wrote:

Jan 16, 2013 -- 8:13PM, kbcoder wrote:

play a creature that cost 4 lands


1. One casts a creature. This use of play was obsoleted in 2009.



If we're being picky, players do still play cards. The term "play" encompasses both the casting of spells and the playing of lands. It's been used most recently on Search the City , and is also on Nightveil Specter in Gatecrash.

Flag ikegami January 16, 2013 11:37 PM PST
He didn't say "play a card that happens to be creature", he said "play a creature" and that's improper. That use of play was obsoleted in 2009.
Flag CommanderJim January 16, 2013 11:42 PM PST

Jan 16, 2013 -- 11:37PM, ikegami wrote:

He didn't say "play a card that happens to be creature", he said "play a creature" and that's improper. This use of play was obsoleted in 2009.



In absolutely technical Magic terms, a "creature" (with no specification after it) refers to a creature on the battlefield. So you're right, you don't play creatures. You play creature cards.

But you also don't cast creatures. You cast creature spells.

Flag ikegami January 17, 2013 12:07 AM PST

Jan 16, 2013 -- 11:42PM, CommanderJim wrote:

You play creature cards.


No, you can't say that as it was obsoleted in 2009. It was deemed confusing.

ok:

  • play a card
  • play a land
  • cast a creature spell

informal:
  • cast a creature (short for "cast a creature spell")

not ok:
  • play a creature
  • play a creature spell
  • play a creature card
Flag zammm January 17, 2013 12:29 AM PST

Jan 17, 2013 -- 12:07AM, ikegami wrote:

not ok:

  • play a creature
  • play a creature spell
  • play a creature card


Only if you're a pedant.

Players can play cards. Some cards are creatures. Ergo, players can play cards which are creatures. For all practical intents and purposes, this is "playing a creature card", which in the case of nonland creature cards (ie, "all of them except Dryad Arbor ") is one and the same thing as casting it. "Play a creature [spell/card]" is perfectly acceptable informal speech.

Lighten up, Feigel.

Flag warghoul January 17, 2013 2:33 AM PST

Jan 17, 2013 -- 12:29AM, zammm wrote:



Lighten up, Feigel.





Hah!

Flag 2goth4U January 17, 2013 5:36 AM PST

Jan 17, 2013 -- 12:29AM, zammm wrote:

Lighten up, Feigel.


ROFLMAO

We are Feigel. Resistance is futile. You will be educated.

Flag Chaikov January 17, 2013 5:53 AM PST
Is this real or a joke? Is Ikegami actually the same person as Feigel?
It certainly is possible: Feigel was quite arrogant and possibly had had his account cancelled by the Forum mediators...  
Flag kbcoder January 17, 2013 6:18 AM PST
I apologize for not 'wording' things properly for some. Being new to the game makes it difficult to be 'pomagically' correct.   Didn't mean to start a discussion on terms. I do however want to thank all the responses, we had a fun time last night playing and learning. Being able to ask a couple questions on rules here and getting such fast feedback is enourmously helpfull.


Thanks!
Flag Enigma256 January 17, 2013 6:39 AM PST
Magicese is a precise language, there is a difference between "blocked" and "blocked by a creature" for example

but ikegami takes it way too serious, so ignore him when he goes on about semantics, we all try to
Flag Bowshewicz January 17, 2013 7:44 AM PST
You can certainly play a creature card. For examples, see Scout's Warning and Ward of Bones .

You can even play creatures: Check the oracle text on Uphill Battle .

But those three were the only exceptions that I could find. ikegami is right to say that the preferred term is "cast."
Flag LunaStik January 17, 2013 8:32 AM PST

Jan 17, 2013 -- 7:44AM, Bowshewicz wrote:

You can certainly play a creature card. For examples, see Scout's Warning and Ward of Bones .

You can even play creatures: Check the oracle text on Uphill Battle .

But those three were the only exceptions that I could find. ikegami is right to say that the preferred term is "cast."



No, there is a difference with those 3, a they will include Dryad Arbor . So, with the ward, if your opponent had more creatures than you but not more lands, they still couldn't play the dryad. If it said cast, they could play the dryad because they wouldn't cast it.

Flag Bowshewicz January 17, 2013 8:41 AM PST
Uphill Battle states that creatures played by your opponents enter the battlefield tapped.

While that specific wording does include Dryad Arbor , it also implies that "play a creature" is a perfectly acceptable way to describe what happens when your opponent casts a "normal" creature spell.
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