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4 months ago  ::  Jan 25, 2013 - 10:19AM #191
Zokorad
Date Joined: Sep 26, 2011
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Yay, nobody refuted my point! That means I win with Hexproof.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 25, 2013 - 9:52PM #192
Fenix.
Date Joined: Jan 13, 2012
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Jan 25, 2013 -- 10:19AM, Zokorad wrote:

Yay, nobody refuted my point! That means I win with Hexproof.



I did;

Jan 15, 2013 -- 9:10PM, Fenix. wrote:

Jan 15, 2013 -- 1:00PM, Zokorad wrote:

Go Shroud, Hexproof sucks, anyone that disagrees is a Zokorad.





Shroud wins, everyone go home.


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Nov 27, 2012 -- 6:39AM, Mata_Hari wrote:

Nov 27, 2012 -- 12:26AM, BankaiMastery wrote:

Okay, here is the clincher. I've been waiting to say this.

The "cam girl" this was inspired by was just a girl from a social networking website, Stickam. Her name was TinyTerror and she was just a regular girl who was on her webcam, totally unrelated to any type of adult content.

I hope you all feel really smart now.

This is like someone coming into class with a bloody nose and everyone's like "Jeez what happened to you" and they're like "I ran into a wall" and everyone laughs at them for being an idiot but then at the end of the class they say "HAHA JUST KIDDING I PUNCHED MYSELF IN THE FACE!!!!!! TALK ABOUT OWNED HAHAHAHAHA"


Oct 25, 2012 -- 9:53PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

I really enjoy imagining this from Kevin's perspective. Because in Kevin's world, Rosewater actually reads everything he types. Mark is sitting there right now, reading this, and thinking "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled. . ." Or some such. He chuckles low, then clicks on "The Best Of KEVINSET" and says "Yes, this'll do just fine. A busty lady with banding who deals direct damage to Zones!? Why this will be the star of my next set, and no one will ever believe you Kevin." Then he closes his Macbook, so his servant may move it out of the way, while another servant puts a Fetal Richard Garfield Clone lathered in Steak Sauce in front of him. Then Mark Feasts.


Sorin walked into the chamber where his newly wed bride, Vampy, awaited. A beam of moonlight illuminated his brilliant silver hair as he strode with confidence towards the bed. His shirtless body showcased his powerful abdominal muscles and he was wearing jeans with holes in the knees.


Nov 24, 2012 -- 8:07PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 24, 2012 -- 7:19PM, CherylCheryl wrote:

I wish more girls play magic cards...


Have you considered assassinating Kevin?

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 26, 2013 - 4:34AM #193
Zokorad
Date Joined: Sep 26, 2011
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Jan 23, 2013 -- 12:11PM, Zokorad wrote:

I like to be in full control of when I put my Creatures in risk. For Example Doom Blade kills a creature but without its controller knowingly and willingly putting it in risk.
On the other hand, When you attack someone, you are willingly put that creature in risk.
Magic should be a game of throwing B o m b s

I would totally rather lose to an Enchanted Giest of Saint Traft, then a Mana Leak and Essence Scatter launched at all my spells.




This was my point.

Blocks I liked: (+1)

Invasion
Onslaught
Mirrodin
Time Spiral
Lorwyn
Zendikar
Return to Ravnica

Blocks I disliked: (-1)

Oddesy
Champions of Kamigawa
Time Echoes
Innistrad
Any Released Blocks not listed in this Sig

Blocks I neutralize: (+/-0)

Ravnica City of Guilds
Shadowmoor
Shards of Alara
Scars of Mirrodin



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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 2:44AM #194
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Jan 25, 2013 -- 7:25AM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't buy that they've really put that much effort into it.  The easiest way to explore design space in magic is with keywords.  I can count on two fingers, let alone one hand, the number of keywords designed for Auras.  "Enchant," and "Totem armor."  The thing is, Totem Armor was pretty successful!  A direct solution to a problem.  That's more of what we should be seeing from R&D.


Keyword vs. nonkeyword is pretty much irrelevant as far as design space goes. They're a shorthand and a tagging mechanism, nothing more.

Attempts to make auras playable directly have a long, long, long history going back to at least Ice Age. Running through them quickly, we had the slowtripping , self-moving , instachantments , Sacrifice-for-effect , self-bounce , cycling , self-recursion , growth , flash (aka instachantments 2.0), cantripping , threshold , self-reanimation , more self-recursion , ETB-triggers other than cantripping,  Auras-as-Slivers , hybrid costs , enchantee-recovery , totem armor , and that's just the stuff that appeared on multiple cards at once, and only mentioning their first appearance--many of these effects were used again and again in different forms, and there's a bunch of single-instance cards like Diplomatic Immunity , Lashknife , Arcanum Wings , Quiet Disrepair , and so on where they tried additional things out.

They've tried it. A lot. Hexproof has allowed them to truly succeed on more than a decent-in-Limited basis for perhaps the first time ever.

Jan 25, 2013 -- 7:25AM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

Yes, you probably should; at the very least, you should exhaust all other options first (something I don't believe they've actually done).


Why should you have to exhaust other options before using an indirect solution? (Speaking in general.)

And while I wouldn't say R&D's exhausted all direct options--that'd be nigh-impossible--I would say that they've given it a darn good scouring. They've tried a lot of ways to fix it. None of them have really worked on a large scale.

Jan 25, 2013 -- 7:25AM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

The indirect solution is unbalancing. Another weakness of Hexproof as an "Aura fixer" is that every color gets Auras, but not every color gets Hexproof. So, because Hexproof is also treated as a mechanic to be given to specific colors, it makes their Auras better, but doesn't really help the rest.  Basically, if the result of current design is, "If you want to run Auras competitively, you have to run Hexproof," then what we actually have is, "If you want to run Auras, you have to run Blue and/or Green."  Spectacular.


A partial fix is far better than none at all, as far as I'm concerned.

But really, is that any different from "If you want to run Equipment competitively, you have to run white "? Is it necessarily a problem that one color has better synergy with Auras than another? I wouldn't say so.

Jan 25, 2013 -- 7:25AM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

I don't think Hexproof is inherently unfair -- I think it can be costed appropriately for the game.  I just think it's bad.  I dislike it as a mechanic, because I don't like how the game feels with it around (in addition to the other reasons specified above, mostly related to Auras).  I recognize this specific point as an opinionated argument, so it is an inherently biased one.  It doesn't matter whether the root of the bias is that I'm attached to Shroud, or whether the root of the bias is that I've been psychologically biased through repetition to cringe at anything with the word "Hex" in it.  Simply as a customer, were I part of a focus team, I would respond that to me it simply doesn't feel fun.


So we're basically agreed on that point then, right?

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 10:34AM #195
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I thought it was "instantments", or more recently, "substance" (Mirage block) or "flash" (Prophecy block).

Related to auras (and more playable) are licids , equipment, and soulbond . Licids are a rules nightmare no one wants to go back to, but equipment and soulbond are actually playable in comparison to auras and elegant in comparison to licids. But as a twist, equipment is usually costed at more (for also being colorless, and the equip cost): Compare Web to Spidersilk Net . But sometimes it surprises you; Blade of the Bloodchief is, on a vampire, much better than Sadistic Glee .

Jun 27, 2012 -- 12:04AM, GM_Champion wrote:

Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.


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