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Switch to Forum Live View The Big Debate 2013: Hexproof vs. Shroud
5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 6:08PM #81
Shadowchu
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 3:04PM, PanteraCanes wrote:

Jan 17, 2013 -- 2:30PM, Niche wrote:

2. You cannot use Sweepers in an aggro deck unless you're bad at deck design (Indigo, halp). Forced Sacrifice works on a couple of them... if they haven't played another creature to throw at it (or can instant speed one out like fetch->Dryad arbor). Also, Sigarda, the built in anti-sac hexproof, the anti creature blocker due to evasion hexproof, and the hard as all get out to sweep hexproofer. So sure, control decks use sweepers, but Hexproof wrecks a third of the metagame if its healthy. But what it really does is force a third of the metagame to just be the hexproof deck.




So in a red agro deck you should not run Bonfire of the Damned ?  In an artifact agro deck you shouldn't run Whipflare ?  What about if you want to use Blood Artist and/or Falkenrath Noble as some reach in your agro deck along with a wrath?


I am also wondering for everybody so against hexproof, how many answers/wraths do you want in a format before you say its OK?  If hexproof wasn't a thing, how many removal spells would you be using in your deck?



Bonfire is terrible in RDW. Have you not seen any of the current lists? 

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 6:10PM #82
Dilleux_Lepaire
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 6:08PM, Shadowchu wrote:

Jan 17, 2013 -- 3:04PM, PanteraCanes wrote:

Jan 17, 2013 -- 2:30PM, Niche wrote:

2. You cannot use Sweepers in an aggro deck unless you're bad at deck design (Indigo, halp). Forced Sacrifice works on a couple of them... if they haven't played another creature to throw at it (or can instant speed one out like fetch->Dryad arbor). Also, Sigarda, the built in anti-sac hexproof, the anti creature blocker due to evasion hexproof, and the hard as all get out to sweep hexproofer. So sure, control decks use sweepers, but Hexproof wrecks a third of the metagame if its healthy. But what it really does is force a third of the metagame to just be the hexproof deck.




So in a red agro deck you should not run Bonfire of the Damned ?  In an artifact agro deck you shouldn't run Whipflare ?  What about if you want to use Blood Artist and/or Falkenrath Noble as some reach in your agro deck along with a wrath?


I am also wondering for everybody so against hexproof, how many answers/wraths do you want in a format before you say its OK?  If hexproof wasn't a thing, how many removal spells would you be using in your deck?



Bonfire is terrible in RDW. Have you not seen any of the current lists? 




Doesn't current RDW completely ignore the opponent and try to get damage in without any regard for 5-drops? It's a legitimate question, I'm not familiar with RDW in the current meta. However, the most played red aggro deck is BR aggro, and it can benefit a lot from Bonfiring your butt off for a little reach. A lot of lists run one or two copies.

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Jan 10, 2011 -- 11:15AM, Uhhsam wrote:

giving a magnet to a dude in a mask with a little dagger so he can single-handedly bring down the meanest fatty ever to annihilate a plane .



Feb 23, 2011 -- 10:29AM, RPJesus wrote:

Feb 23, 2011 -- 6:21AM, Dragon_Whelp wrote:

Feb 23, 2011 -- 4:48AM, Riorvard wrote:

Rancor dies to in-response removal.



Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back.

Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.


You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.



Apr 16, 2011 -- 12:06PM, Dragon_Whelp wrote:

Apr 16, 2011 -- 12:02PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.



Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.



Apr 26, 2011 -- 5:10PM, Vektor480 wrote:


I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now.
Ahem...
NO ONE CARES

there you have it.



May 3, 2011 -- 9:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.



May 24, 2011 -- 12:02AM, SleetFox wrote:

How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.



May 30, 2011 -- 5:57PM, Vektor480 wrote:

The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.



Jul 6, 2011 -- 4:06AM, Purple_Shrimp wrote:

1. cast frankie peanuts 2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus , then play enchanted evening . play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede



Sep 8, 2011 -- 10:08AM, SereneChaos wrote:

Sep 8, 2011 -- 10:03AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Sep 8, 2011 -- 9:39AM, SereneChaos wrote:


One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.


Whatever.
I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.



I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?



Sep 9, 2011 -- 11:30AM, ElvenSoma wrote:

Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.



Sep 10, 2011 -- 2:58AM, Purple_Shrimp wrote:

why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter

Spoiler: Show

to get to the other side



Oct 8, 2011 -- 10:22AM, catowner wrote:

You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.



Nov 7, 2011 -- 2:34AM, RPJesus wrote:

Nov 7, 2011 -- 12:25AM, krichaiushii wrote:

Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.


True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.



Nov 21, 2011 -- 12:09PM, Yanmato1 wrote:

Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.



Nov 22, 2011 -- 6:59PM, rulesinquisitor wrote:

Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me.

Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!



Dec 5, 2011 -- 4:01PM, Gemstone386 wrote:

Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.



Jan 21, 2012 -- 12:45PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.



Dec 14, 2011 -- 2:33PM, signofzeta wrote:

They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die".  Much like Hell.



Jan 22, 2012 -- 3:32AM, Escef wrote:


Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.



Feb 5, 2012 -- 11:35AM, krichaiushii wrote:

Feb 5, 2012 -- 8:48AM, garruk_rellentless wrote:

i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.

I haven't tried the app.   How is its use of English grammar?

Cheers!



Feb 23, 2012 -- 1:16PM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated.

Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).



Feb 24, 2012 -- 2:29AM, RPJesus wrote:

Feb 17, 2012 -- 8:07PM, SereneChaos wrote:

If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.


No, they just spam them with ban requests .

That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played). 



Mar 12, 2012 -- 11:50AM, RPJesus wrote:

Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH.

-First off, there's no commander.
-The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity.
-Starting life total is 20.

And voila, now things are balanced.



Mar 16, 2012 -- 11:06PM, catowner wrote:

Here's a clever play you can try yourself:
-Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament
-Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility
-Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out
-All his rats now have no abilities.  Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card.
-Get him/her banned from competitive magic play



Mar 21, 2012 -- 2:30PM, wickeddarkman wrote:

But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different!

You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french)

Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!



Mar 21, 2012 -- 2:38PM, Terti wrote:

In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You



Apr 18, 2012 -- 3:33PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar.
O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare.
V, is very very, extraordinay.
E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.



May 11, 2012 -- 5:18PM, TinGorilla wrote:

The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates.

Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block.

No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.



Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:39AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:31AM, chinkeeyong wrote:

Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil .



whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways



Jun 15, 2012 -- 4:36PM, RPJesus wrote:

I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.



Jul 6, 2012 -- 5:47PM, RPJesus wrote:


"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.



Jul 16, 2012 -- 3:14PM, catowner wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 1:57PM, zpikduM wrote:

Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too.

Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.


Then we shall play in the shade.



Jul 20, 2012 -- 6:02PM, catowner wrote:

I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help.  This forum is for starting ****storms.



Aug 13, 2012 -- 7:17AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Aug 12, 2012 -- 5:26PM, GM_Champion wrote:

Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.



I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original.

Then the building collapses.



Aug 22, 2012 -- 7:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

I for one love the flavor of legendary lands.

"I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy ."
"Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too."
"WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."



Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:18AM, RPJesus wrote:


And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so...

"Hey Nissa, I need a favor."
"You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab."
"...I'll give you "
"...Well all right then."



Sep 6, 2012 -- 7:35PM, Jessica_Morgan wrote:

GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.



Oct 8, 2012 -- 9:15AM, AzureShade wrote:


Oct 8, 2012 -- 9:10AM, EyeHunter wrote:

Tamiyo vs. Gideon

What would they have to fight about?  Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears!  I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?"  and Tamiyo going "Ew!  Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.



Oct 13, 2012 -- 12:42AM, Uhhsam wrote:

I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side.  Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off.  Win Win.



Nov 5, 2012 -- 10:48AM, Renasce wrote:


MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.



Nov 29, 2012 -- 9:00AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Nov 29, 2012 -- 8:56AM, GeekyDad wrote:

You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll?

At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.



Because lol troll



Dec 20, 2012 -- 9:49AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.



Jan 13, 2013 -- 8:14AM, Catotheyounger wrote:


Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house.  Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness.  "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet?  The set deadline's coming up fast."  "We're almost through.  It should be coming up on the screen any second."  The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen.  Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see.  It's like the ending to 2001:  A Space Odyssey.  Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy.  And then they steal his ideas.  As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere.  The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question:  "Kevin, my greatest student.  He - he's all right, isn't he?  You didn't hurt him?"  Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot.  "Know your place, Richard.  Get back to work."



Feb 5, 2013 -- 9:30AM, Jman22 wrote:



Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...



Mar 5, 2013 -- 9:36AM, Astarael7 wrote:

I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use.

From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of

183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin.

183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.

I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.



Apr 26, 2013 -- 7:53PM, Decktesting54 wrote:

Apr 26, 2013 -- 3:50PM, Ebontail wrote:

Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.



I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....



May 9, 2013 -- 1:23PM, Smoke_Stack wrote:

Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn . He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.





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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 6:36PM #83
MrIndigo
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Date Joined: Mar 27, 2003
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Bonfire is fine because its one sided, but Magmaquake, Day Of Judgment, etc. You cannot play those in Aggro, they are fundamentally opposed to what you're trying to do.

Nov 4, 2010 -- 9:11AM, Niche wrote:

Nov 3, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Razorgore wrote:

It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.



It should be about giving black cards to Niche.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 6:56PM #84
MrIndigo
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The reason Hexproof tends to be worse than unblockable in practice, despite the symmetry of the abilities, is that you have intrinsically less ability to deal with something by combat (e.g. they can either not attack or not block if they risk losing it), and because most decks are structured in a way that makes creatures tools of attack more than tools of defense, with spells making up the difference (consider how many Aggro 'creature' decks run targeted removal spells, often as their only spells).

Finally, it is also much easier to prevent something blocking you than it is to stop something targeting you. For example, there are more ways of giving creatures evasion than protection, creatures can't block if they're attacking, or you can play your removal spells.

Consequently, although the two mechanics are equally interactive in the abstract, their implementation in practice means hexproof promotes much less interaction.

Also, at the guy above who mentioned combat tricks being less effective; its not because the opponent can interact with them that tricks are less effective. It's that they require much more to actually play. You need to have a creature. That creature has to be capable of blocking the attacker (i.e. can't attack itself), it needs you to have a trick that is big enough to make the combat one sided, it can only be played midcombat, its useless if drawn too late.

These are all extra conditions that make a combat trick less valuable than removal, and none of them are about your opponent interacting with your trick.

Nov 4, 2010 -- 9:11AM, Niche wrote:

Nov 3, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Razorgore wrote:

It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.



It should be about giving black cards to Niche.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 8:08PM #85
Brodo
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I just want my shroud back.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2013 - 12:02AM #86
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Both. I don't agree that it should be one or the other.
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2013 - 5:04AM #87
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Hexproof is just one of the many jokes of the modern day magic game.  Shroud was absolutely fine, but wizards hates interaction.  They want magic to be a glorified game of war where players just peel cars and play them at sorcery speed.

These new sets suck.  These nerds will play anything you give them, they have no other way to have friends besides magic so stop ****ing the game up.  Just make card like you used to.  Make simple spells, a variant of creature and be true to each colors theme. 

Ever since Innistrad this power creep issue is just getting out of hand.  Games are just about who pulls the most haymakers and strategy is a complete joke.  I recently popped back into the magic world after quitting after the release of dark ascension.  Each set that comes out I look at, laugh sarcastically and watch the creature decks vommit all over the tournament scene.

Gatecrash comes out and guess what?! Its all creature mechanics!  The good spells are only good in creature decks and most of the tim the creatures have more powerful effects than the instants or sorceries you throw away.

Gone are the days where magic took intelligence, strategy and scheming.  Hell, deck building is completely finished as is anyway.  Just mash some rares and mythics into some lands and BOOM!  Powerhouse magic.

This is a glorified game of war.  Im going to save my money once again and just buy another set of playing cards and have the exact same experience for $500 less.

Thanks for ruining something good Wizards!
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2013 - 8:42AM #88
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Jan 18, 2013 -- 5:04AM, tonykart34 wrote:

Hexproof is just one of the many jokes of the modern day magic game. Shroud was absolutely fine, but wizards hates interaction. They want magic to be a glorified game of war where players just peel cars and play them at sorcery speed. These new sets suck. These nerds will play anything you give them, they have no other way to have friends besides magic so stop ****ing the game up. Just make card like you used to. Make simple spells, a variant of creature and be true to each colors theme. Ever since Innistrad this power creep issue is just getting out of hand. Games are just about who pulls the most haymakers and strategy is a complete joke. I recently popped back into the magic world after quitting after the release of dark ascension. Each set that comes out I look at, laugh sarcastically and watch the creature decks vommit all over the tournament scene. Gatecrash comes out and guess what?! Its all creature mechanics! The good spells are only good in creature decks and most of the tim the creatures have more powerful effects than the instants or sorceries you throw away. Gone are the days where magic took intelligence, strategy and scheming. Hell, deck building is completely finished as is anyway. Just mash some rares and mythics into some lands and BOOM! Powerhouse magic. This is a glorified game of war. Im going to save my money once again and just buy another set of playing cards and have the exact same experience for $500 less. Thanks for ruining something good Wizards!




And yet, you're here posting on the boards of a crappy game, taking a couple of minute of your life to tell us about how bad it is.

A bit futile, isn't it? 

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Jan 10, 2011 -- 11:15AM, Uhhsam wrote:

giving a magnet to a dude in a mask with a little dagger so he can single-handedly bring down the meanest fatty ever to annihilate a plane .



Feb 23, 2011 -- 10:29AM, RPJesus wrote:

Feb 23, 2011 -- 6:21AM, Dragon_Whelp wrote:

Feb 23, 2011 -- 4:48AM, Riorvard wrote:

Rancor dies to in-response removal.



Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back.

Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.


You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.



Apr 16, 2011 -- 12:06PM, Dragon_Whelp wrote:

Apr 16, 2011 -- 12:02PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.



Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.



Apr 26, 2011 -- 5:10PM, Vektor480 wrote:


I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now.
Ahem...
NO ONE CARES

there you have it.



May 3, 2011 -- 9:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.



May 24, 2011 -- 12:02AM, SleetFox wrote:

How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.



May 30, 2011 -- 5:57PM, Vektor480 wrote:

The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.



Jul 6, 2011 -- 4:06AM, Purple_Shrimp wrote:

1. cast frankie peanuts 2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus , then play enchanted evening . play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede



Sep 8, 2011 -- 10:08AM, SereneChaos wrote:

Sep 8, 2011 -- 10:03AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Sep 8, 2011 -- 9:39AM, SereneChaos wrote:


One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.


Whatever.
I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.



I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?



Sep 9, 2011 -- 11:30AM, ElvenSoma wrote:

Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.



Sep 10, 2011 -- 2:58AM, Purple_Shrimp wrote:

why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter

Spoiler: Show

to get to the other side



Oct 8, 2011 -- 10:22AM, catowner wrote:

You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.



Nov 7, 2011 -- 2:34AM, RPJesus wrote:

Nov 7, 2011 -- 12:25AM, krichaiushii wrote:

Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.


True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.



Nov 21, 2011 -- 12:09PM, Yanmato1 wrote:

Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.



Nov 22, 2011 -- 6:59PM, rulesinquisitor wrote:

Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me.

Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!



Dec 5, 2011 -- 4:01PM, Gemstone386 wrote:

Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.



Jan 21, 2012 -- 12:45PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.



Dec 14, 2011 -- 2:33PM, signofzeta wrote:

They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die".  Much like Hell.



Jan 22, 2012 -- 3:32AM, Escef wrote:


Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.



Feb 5, 2012 -- 11:35AM, krichaiushii wrote:

Feb 5, 2012 -- 8:48AM, garruk_rellentless wrote:

i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.

I haven't tried the app.   How is its use of English grammar?

Cheers!



Feb 23, 2012 -- 1:16PM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated.

Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).



Feb 24, 2012 -- 2:29AM, RPJesus wrote:

Feb 17, 2012 -- 8:07PM, SereneChaos wrote:

If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.


No, they just spam them with ban requests .

That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played). 



Mar 12, 2012 -- 11:50AM, RPJesus wrote:

Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH.

-First off, there's no commander.
-The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity.
-Starting life total is 20.

And voila, now things are balanced.



Mar 16, 2012 -- 11:06PM, catowner wrote:

Here's a clever play you can try yourself:
-Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament
-Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility
-Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out
-All his rats now have no abilities.  Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card.
-Get him/her banned from competitive magic play



Mar 21, 2012 -- 2:30PM, wickeddarkman wrote:

But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different!

You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french)

Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!



Mar 21, 2012 -- 2:38PM, Terti wrote:

In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You



Apr 18, 2012 -- 3:33PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar.
O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare.
V, is very very, extraordinay.
E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.



May 11, 2012 -- 5:18PM, TinGorilla wrote:

The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates.

Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block.

No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.



Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:39AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:31AM, chinkeeyong wrote:

Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil .



whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways



Jun 15, 2012 -- 4:36PM, RPJesus wrote:

I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.



Jul 6, 2012 -- 5:47PM, RPJesus wrote:


"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.



Jul 16, 2012 -- 3:14PM, catowner wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 1:57PM, zpikduM wrote:

Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too.

Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.


Then we shall play in the shade.



Jul 20, 2012 -- 6:02PM, catowner wrote:

I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help.  This forum is for starting ****storms.



Aug 13, 2012 -- 7:17AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Aug 12, 2012 -- 5:26PM, GM_Champion wrote:

Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.



I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original.

Then the building collapses.



Aug 22, 2012 -- 7:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

I for one love the flavor of legendary lands.

"I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy ."
"Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too."
"WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."



Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:18AM, RPJesus wrote:


And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so...

"Hey Nissa, I need a favor."
"You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab."
"...I'll give you "
"...Well all right then."



Sep 6, 2012 -- 7:35PM, Jessica_Morgan wrote:

GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.



Oct 8, 2012 -- 9:15AM, AzureShade wrote:


Oct 8, 2012 -- 9:10AM, EyeHunter wrote:

Tamiyo vs. Gideon

What would they have to fight about?  Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears!  I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?"  and Tamiyo going "Ew!  Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.



Oct 13, 2012 -- 12:42AM, Uhhsam wrote:

I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side.  Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off.  Win Win.



Nov 5, 2012 -- 10:48AM, Renasce wrote:


MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.



Nov 29, 2012 -- 9:00AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Nov 29, 2012 -- 8:56AM, GeekyDad wrote:

You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll?

At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.



Because lol troll



Dec 20, 2012 -- 9:49AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.



Jan 13, 2013 -- 8:14AM, Catotheyounger wrote:


Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house.  Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness.  "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet?  The set deadline's coming up fast."  "We're almost through.  It should be coming up on the screen any second."  The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen.  Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see.  It's like the ending to 2001:  A Space Odyssey.  Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy.  And then they steal his ideas.  As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere.  The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question:  "Kevin, my greatest student.  He - he's all right, isn't he?  You didn't hurt him?"  Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot.  "Know your place, Richard.  Get back to work."



Feb 5, 2013 -- 9:30AM, Jman22 wrote:



Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...



Mar 5, 2013 -- 9:36AM, Astarael7 wrote:

I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use.

From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of

183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin.

183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.

I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.



Apr 26, 2013 -- 7:53PM, Decktesting54 wrote:

Apr 26, 2013 -- 3:50PM, Ebontail wrote:

Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.



I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....



May 9, 2013 -- 1:23PM, Smoke_Stack wrote:

Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn . He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.





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Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft ) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!


Week 1 : Xenograft Show

This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft .
Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1

Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck.
Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck.
Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad .


Week 2 : Mindlock Orb Show


Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269

Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck.
Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.



Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl Show


Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797

Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck.
Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck.
Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.



Week 4 : Followed Footsteps Show


This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1

Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck.
Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.



Week 5 : Delaying Shield Show


This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield

Winner : Tevish_Szat.
Finalist : Vampire_Bat.
Honorable Mention : Zix200.



Week 6 : Painter's Servant Show


This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1

Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck.
Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.



Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner Show


This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner

Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck.
Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.



Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary Show


This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary

Winner : MrQuizzles.
Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep



Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite Show


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Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck.
Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.



Week 10 : Jace's Archivist Show


This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist.

Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck.
Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.



Week 11 : Search the City Show


This week's card was Search the City :
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City

Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps".
Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".


Week 12 : Fiend Hunter Show


This week's card was Fiend Hunter :
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Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting".
Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".



Week 13 : Clock of Omens Show


This week's card was Clock of Omens :
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Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".



Week 14 : Light of Sanction Show


This week's card was Light of Sanction :
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Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".



Week 15 : Assemble the Legion Show


This week's card was Assemble the Legion :
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Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".



Week 16 : High Tide Show

This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck :
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Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".



Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers Show


This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers

Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"


Week 18 : Savor the Moment Show


This week's card was Savor the Moment :
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment

Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"



Week 19 : Grinning Ignus Show


This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus

Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".



Week 20 : Transcendence Show


This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence

Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.



Week 21 : Mortus Strider Show


This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider

Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".



Week 22 : High Priest of Penance Show


This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance

Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".



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5 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2013 - 9:24AM #89
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 2:07PM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Hexproof removes only one facet of interaction : targeting.




But I thought all removal targeted

Jun 27, 2012 -- 12:04AM, GM_Champion wrote:

Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.


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5 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2013 - 9:33AM #90
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In my opinion, hexproof is a poorly designed mechanic. After they got burnt with their first tries in Innistrad block (aka Invisible Stalker and Geist of Saint Traft , and to a lesser extent Sigarda, host of Herons ), they have gotten far more conservative with it, and few of the cards feel like they need Hexproof instead of shroud. Look at the spoiled cards from Gatecrash, what of these would substantially change if it had shroud instead of Hexproof? Lets look at them:
  • Lazav will be played in decks which mill the opponent, so your not going to have room to put any enchantents or equipment in the deck now that Sword of Body and Mind has rotated out
  • Simic Charm would be basically exactly the same, as your using that mode to counter a spell or ability. I suppose on occasion it'll be used in response to an opponent trying to kill a creature you're attaching an aura or equipment to, but that's quite the corner case.
  • Simic Keyrune might has to be activated every turn, so generally you will not be generally enchanting or equiping it. There is cipher in the set, and that will stay encoded after it turns back into an artifact, so I supose this one will play diferently on occasion [edit]Upon rereading cipher, it turns out that the ability doesn't target, there's no reason this couldn't have shroud[/edit]
  • Domi Rade only plays well in decks with a very high creature count, but there is Bloodrush. Might matter, I suppose.

So, from the cards spoiled so far, none of them couldn't exist with shroud, and most of them would be largely the same. At the same time, the acknowledged restrictions of Hexproof (can't put it on cheap evasive cards) means that there are many cards that can't be made that could exist with shroud. It's not a terrible mechanic, now that R&D has a feel for it, but R&D seems to feel like they can only have one of them in the game at a time, and I think that shroud has more room than hexproof. There are cards that wouldn't work with shroud, Invisible Stalker is entirely designed around hexproof. Thats the only thing that makes him interesting, but the gimick of him picking up a butcher's cleaver is only cool once, then it became the most miserable experience in the format.

I'd say that they should only use hexproof when it's required for a card to work. Generally, they should use shroud.
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