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Switch to Forum Live View The Big Debate 2013: Hexproof vs. Shroud
5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 2:07PM #71
Dilleux_Lepaire
Date Joined: Dec 6, 2005
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 11:34AM, Niche wrote:


No, you can temporal isolation, faith's fetters, pacifism, control magic... being able to target it opens up the worlds of possibility.




But you can Mutilate, Infect, Last Gasp...

Making a long list of auras does not boost the number of answers. They're all auras.


The problem is not all decks have access to more than 1 of these answers... and when they can use them, the card is useless against everything else... forcing you to waste slots on it that doesn't work anywhere else. Narrow design space. Also, some decks have outs to hexproof, but as you hint below these hexproof cards come pre-equipped with answers to the answers. That's a damn problem (regeneration, cant be sac'd, unblockable).




If your deck doesn't feature answers to Hexproof guys, there's a prolbme with your deck, that's all. Sweepers work wonders in a lot of situations. Forced sacrifice hit any creature. Those anwers aren't narrow like the new Hexproof hater (God is that poor design). They have been played for years. It's nothing new.

Saying that Hexproof is a bad ability because it happens to be put on critters that have other uninteractive abilities doesn't make sense. It's the cards you don't like, not the abilities.


I haven't liked any hexproof creature I've seen. They're absurdly strong... or absurdly unplayable.




I didn't remember seeing and "absurdly strong" hexproofer. There are good and bad Hexproofer, just like there are bad and good Trampler.


In the context of standard, which seems to be where you're going... yes all of these creatures made an impact at a point in time in standard. You just weren't paying attention.




I said "destoryed any format", not "made an impact". These are the good Hexproofer. They're not overpowered by any strectch of the mind. The best cards in Standard were Delver, Snappy and Thragtusk. Hexproof alone doesn't make a creature overpowered. You just remember the top ones.

And what pile of crap deck would be on sweepers, curse, your own creatures (that apparently need to be hexproof so you get a chance to block, this is the problem... its a one sided game when someone gets to interact with your creatures and you cant with theirs)?




Yeah, anyone who plays Hexproof creatures happen to have spot-removal for every creature you play, so you pretty much have to play Hexproof creatures or nothing survives on your side of the field ever.

You know better than that, Niche. Saying that you need Hexproof creatures to block Hexproof creatures is saying that only Hexproof creature can survive a turn on the battlefield, and we all know it's not the case.

And which deck runs sweepers? Every damn control deck right now. How are you supposed to fight BR aggro without a damn sweeper? Most lists I've seen run 6-8 sweepers, and there's not even Hexproof creatures played in the format right now except Sigarda in Naya. Not exactly what I call a "narrow answer". As for Curse, you'd be surprised.

There's no easy answer... and while you struggle to cope they're just interacting with your guys and theirs freely.




Yeah, Hexproof are terribly dominating the metagame.


Shroud is fair because it prevents both parties from gaining an advantage in the interaction level. Unblockable is fine because it only removed one facet of interaction; the block. Indestructible only removes one subset of interaction. Protection is fine because its inherently coped with during deck construction... and if you choose to play mono color then you've chosen to punt to this or you've packed answers (via artifacts, lands, sweepers).. trust me.. I know all about this one.




These are fair because you decide they are. What is different from Shroud and Hexproof? Oh my! you can enchant and equip them! That is so bad design!

Hexproof removes only one facet of interaction : targeting.

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Jan 10, 2011 -- 11:15AM, Uhhsam wrote:

giving a magnet to a dude in a mask with a little dagger so he can single-handedly bring down the meanest fatty ever to annihilate a plane .



Feb 23, 2011 -- 10:29AM, RPJesus wrote:

Feb 23, 2011 -- 6:21AM, Dragon_Whelp wrote:

Feb 23, 2011 -- 4:48AM, Riorvard wrote:

Rancor dies to in-response removal.



Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back.

Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.


You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.



Apr 16, 2011 -- 12:06PM, Dragon_Whelp wrote:

Apr 16, 2011 -- 12:02PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.



Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.



Apr 26, 2011 -- 5:10PM, Vektor480 wrote:


I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now.
Ahem...
NO ONE CARES

there you have it.



May 3, 2011 -- 9:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.



May 24, 2011 -- 12:02AM, SleetFox wrote:

How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.



May 30, 2011 -- 5:57PM, Vektor480 wrote:

The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.



Jul 6, 2011 -- 4:06AM, Purple_Shrimp wrote:

1. cast frankie peanuts 2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus , then play enchanted evening . play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede



Sep 8, 2011 -- 10:08AM, SereneChaos wrote:

Sep 8, 2011 -- 10:03AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Sep 8, 2011 -- 9:39AM, SereneChaos wrote:


One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.


Whatever.
I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.



I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?



Sep 9, 2011 -- 11:30AM, ElvenSoma wrote:

Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.



Sep 10, 2011 -- 2:58AM, Purple_Shrimp wrote:

why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter

Spoiler: Show

to get to the other side



Oct 8, 2011 -- 10:22AM, catowner wrote:

You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.



Nov 7, 2011 -- 2:34AM, RPJesus wrote:

Nov 7, 2011 -- 12:25AM, krichaiushii wrote:

Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.


True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.



Nov 21, 2011 -- 12:09PM, Yanmato1 wrote:

Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.



Nov 22, 2011 -- 6:59PM, rulesinquisitor wrote:

Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me.

Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!



Dec 5, 2011 -- 4:01PM, Gemstone386 wrote:

Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.



Jan 21, 2012 -- 12:45PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.



Dec 14, 2011 -- 2:33PM, signofzeta wrote:

They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die".  Much like Hell.



Jan 22, 2012 -- 3:32AM, Escef wrote:


Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.



Feb 5, 2012 -- 11:35AM, krichaiushii wrote:

Feb 5, 2012 -- 8:48AM, garruk_rellentless wrote:

i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.

I haven't tried the app.   How is its use of English grammar?

Cheers!



Feb 23, 2012 -- 1:16PM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated.

Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).



Feb 24, 2012 -- 2:29AM, RPJesus wrote:

Feb 17, 2012 -- 8:07PM, SereneChaos wrote:

If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.


No, they just spam them with ban requests .

That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played). 



Mar 12, 2012 -- 11:50AM, RPJesus wrote:

Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH.

-First off, there's no commander.
-The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity.
-Starting life total is 20.

And voila, now things are balanced.



Mar 16, 2012 -- 11:06PM, catowner wrote:

Here's a clever play you can try yourself:
-Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament
-Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility
-Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out
-All his rats now have no abilities.  Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card.
-Get him/her banned from competitive magic play



Mar 21, 2012 -- 2:30PM, wickeddarkman wrote:

But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different!

You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french)

Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!



Mar 21, 2012 -- 2:38PM, Terti wrote:

In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You



Apr 18, 2012 -- 3:33PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar.
O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare.
V, is very very, extraordinay.
E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.



May 11, 2012 -- 5:18PM, TinGorilla wrote:

The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates.

Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block.

No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.



Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:39AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:31AM, chinkeeyong wrote:

Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil .



whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways



Jun 15, 2012 -- 4:36PM, RPJesus wrote:

I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.



Jul 6, 2012 -- 5:47PM, RPJesus wrote:


"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.



Jul 16, 2012 -- 3:14PM, catowner wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 1:57PM, zpikduM wrote:

Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too.

Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.


Then we shall play in the shade.



Jul 20, 2012 -- 6:02PM, catowner wrote:

I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help.  This forum is for starting ****storms.



Aug 13, 2012 -- 7:17AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Aug 12, 2012 -- 5:26PM, GM_Champion wrote:

Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.



I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original.

Then the building collapses.



Aug 22, 2012 -- 7:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

I for one love the flavor of legendary lands.

"I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy ."
"Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too."
"WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."



Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:18AM, RPJesus wrote:


And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so...

"Hey Nissa, I need a favor."
"You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab."
"...I'll give you "
"...Well all right then."



Sep 6, 2012 -- 7:35PM, Jessica_Morgan wrote:

GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.



Oct 8, 2012 -- 9:15AM, AzureShade wrote:


Oct 8, 2012 -- 9:10AM, EyeHunter wrote:

Tamiyo vs. Gideon

What would they have to fight about?  Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears!  I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?"  and Tamiyo going "Ew!  Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.



Oct 13, 2012 -- 12:42AM, Uhhsam wrote:

I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side.  Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off.  Win Win.



Nov 5, 2012 -- 10:48AM, Renasce wrote:


MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.



Nov 29, 2012 -- 9:00AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Nov 29, 2012 -- 8:56AM, GeekyDad wrote:

You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll?

At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.



Because lol troll



Dec 20, 2012 -- 9:49AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.



Jan 13, 2013 -- 8:14AM, Catotheyounger wrote:


Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house.  Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness.  "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet?  The set deadline's coming up fast."  "We're almost through.  It should be coming up on the screen any second."  The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen.  Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see.  It's like the ending to 2001:  A Space Odyssey.  Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy.  And then they steal his ideas.  As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere.  The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question:  "Kevin, my greatest student.  He - he's all right, isn't he?  You didn't hurt him?"  Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot.  "Know your place, Richard.  Get back to work."



Feb 5, 2013 -- 9:30AM, Jman22 wrote:



Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...



Mar 5, 2013 -- 9:36AM, Astarael7 wrote:

I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use.

From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of

183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin.

183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.

I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.



Apr 26, 2013 -- 7:53PM, Decktesting54 wrote:

Apr 26, 2013 -- 3:50PM, Ebontail wrote:

Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.



I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....



May 9, 2013 -- 1:23PM, Smoke_Stack wrote:

Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn . He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.





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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 2:30PM #72
Niche
Date Joined: Apr 25, 2008
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1. So what you're saying is that Indestructible has a lot of answers. Glad we're on the same page.

2. You cannot use Sweepers in an aggro deck unless you're bad at deck design (Indigo, halp). Forced Sacrifice works on a couple of them... if they haven't played another creature to throw at it (or can instant speed one out like fetch->Dryad arbor). Also, Sigarda, the built in anti-sac hexproof, the anti creature blocker due to evasion hexproof, and the hard as all get out to sweep hexproofer. So sure, control decks use sweepers, but Hexproof wrecks a third of the metagame if its healthy. But what it really does is force a third of the metagame to just be the hexproof deck.

3. Absurdly strong? In the current standard format Sigarda is nigh godlike. In the wolf run red meta Thrun was ridiculous... but fortunately Titans were around to keep him in the sideboard because you had good blocks on him... unless you gave Thrun a sword....

4. Geist of St Traft was featured in over 40% of decks at large events just last year. You remember Standard WU Delver? That's a wrecking ball.

5.  I'm saying no deck features a combination of all of these cards from inception (Sweepers, Curse, Creatures of their own) because playing enough creatures to flood the board to block hexproofers makes for bad deck design to run sweepers. Curse is fine, but there's no deck that wants to run an aggressive portfolio of creatures into... Curse of Death's Hold or Sweeper. If you want to prove a point let's see a decklist from you that features all of these cards that would stand up to a deck featuring a hexproof creature. Pick your meta, this year or last year. And then everyone can pick at it and see if you're right or just bad.

6. Ignored goading.

7. Shroud is the very definition of fair. Symmetry is what you're looking for. Historically magic decks look for opportunities to break symmetry to become a top deck(making more mana than your opponent, drawing more cards, making more creatures than they can respond to, creating an unanswerable creature). The catch is these decks focused in on it completely and it took many cards to break symmetry and win. Today? Tap a plains, an island, and a colorless. Here's my 6 power clock that is almost unanswerable. My cost? 3 mana and 1 card. 


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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 2:46PM #73
Dilleux_Lepaire
Date Joined: Dec 6, 2005
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 2:30PM, Niche wrote:

1. So what you're saying is that Indestructible has a lot of answers. Glad we're on the same page.




I don't see the point.

2. You cannot use Sweepers in an aggro deck unless you're bad at deck design (Indigo, halp). Forced Sacrifice works on a couple of them... if they haven't played another creature to throw at it (or can instant speed one out like fetch->Dryad arbor). Also, Sigarda, the built in anti-sac hexproof, the anti creature blocker due to evasion hexproof, and the hard as all get out to sweep hexproofer. So sure, control decks use sweepers, but Hexproof wrecks a third of the metagame if its healthy. But what it really does is force a third of the metagame to just be the hexproof deck.




In an aggro deck, you run through Hexproofer as much as Shrouder as much as Indestructibles. You don't need an answer to everything, and most aggro decks can't stand four Thragtusks or something. If you did, Bonfire would be a great example of a card that answers Hexproofer nicely and doesn't set you back.

Specific examples tell nothing about the mechanic.

Shroud has never teared up through anything, but is as difficult to answer as Hexproof. The "difficult to answer" debate does not put Shroud over Hexproof.

There has never been any "hexproof deck".

3. Absurdly strong? In the current standard format Sigarda is nigh godlike. In the wolf run red meta Thrun was ridiculous... but fortunately Titans were around to keep him in the sideboard because you had good blocks on him... unless you gave Thrun a sword....




Sigarda is nigh Godlike? Are you kidding? There's no good spot removal right now. People are going through her with Hellkite, around her if they don't get it, or play one of their seven sweepers. Naya is a good deck, but it's the only one running her, and there's a dozen viable decks. It's far for godlike.

Thrun was never heavily played, in any of the two Standard. I don't know what you're talking about. People were winning via KWW and Primeval Titan. We're talking about the Standard with two clone creatures for two and three. Those list were ramp into titan into win and only some ran Thrun.

4. Geist of St Traft was featured in over 40% of decks at large events just last year. You remember Standard WU Delver? That's a wrecking ball.




And Ponder was as much played, if not more. UW tempo was a deck. It fit into UW tempo. The real weapon of that deck was Delver and Vapor Snag. if you're going to stop any blockers from happening, might as well run the creature whose big weakness is creatures. It wasn't what was destroying the meta, else it would still be played. Remember who it's Standard legal and you haven't seen any since the beginning of the meta? Hardly an overpowered, unanswerable card.

5.  I'm saying no deck features a combination of all of these cards from inception (Sweepers, Curse, Creatures of their own) because playing enough creatures to flood the board to block hexproofers makes for bad deck design to run sweepers. Curse is fine, but there's no deck that wants to run an aggressive portfolio of creatures into... Curse of Death's Hold or Sweeper. If you want to prove a point let's see a decklist from you that features all of these cards that would stand up to a deck featuring a hexproof creature. Pick your meta, this year or last year. And then everyone can pick at it and see if you're right or just bad.




Any current control list runs a crapload of sweeper. All midrange deck can block as mucha s they want with their recursive creatures. Aggro deck win before Sigarda becomes a problem and just ignore Geist. Stalker does not need an answer because nobody is playing him.

You're essentially asking me to provide a decklist with answers to cards that either aren't good enough to make the cut, or are already answerable by what's in the deck.

7. Shroud is the very definition of fair. Symmetry is what you're looking for. Historically magic decks look for opportunities to break symmetry to become a top deck(making more mana than your opponent, drawing more cards, making more creatures than they can respond to, creating an unanswerable creature). The catch is these decks focused in on it completely and it took many cards to break symmetry and win.




So First Strike, Double Strike, Indestructible, Unblockable, Trample, Undying, Persist, Infect, Wither, Storm are all bad mechanics because they break the symmetry? Almost every damn keyword breaks symmetry. I don't see why Hexproof should be any different.

Today? Tap a plains, an island, and a colorless. Here's my 6 power clock that is almost unanswerable. My cost? 3 mana and 1 card. 




Why isn't anyone playing him, then?

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Jan 10, 2011 -- 11:15AM, Uhhsam wrote:

giving a magnet to a dude in a mask with a little dagger so he can single-handedly bring down the meanest fatty ever to annihilate a plane .



Feb 23, 2011 -- 10:29AM, RPJesus wrote:

Feb 23, 2011 -- 6:21AM, Dragon_Whelp wrote:

Feb 23, 2011 -- 4:48AM, Riorvard wrote:

Rancor dies to in-response removal.



Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back.

Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.


You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.



Apr 16, 2011 -- 12:06PM, Dragon_Whelp wrote:

Apr 16, 2011 -- 12:02PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.



Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.



Apr 26, 2011 -- 5:10PM, Vektor480 wrote:


I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now.
Ahem...
NO ONE CARES

there you have it.



May 3, 2011 -- 9:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.



May 24, 2011 -- 12:02AM, SleetFox wrote:

How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.



May 30, 2011 -- 5:57PM, Vektor480 wrote:

The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.



Jul 6, 2011 -- 4:06AM, Purple_Shrimp wrote:

1. cast frankie peanuts 2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus , then play enchanted evening . play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede



Sep 8, 2011 -- 10:08AM, SereneChaos wrote:

Sep 8, 2011 -- 10:03AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Sep 8, 2011 -- 9:39AM, SereneChaos wrote:


One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.


Whatever.
I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.



I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?



Sep 9, 2011 -- 11:30AM, ElvenSoma wrote:

Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.



Sep 10, 2011 -- 2:58AM, Purple_Shrimp wrote:

why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter

Spoiler: Show

to get to the other side



Oct 8, 2011 -- 10:22AM, catowner wrote:

You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.



Nov 7, 2011 -- 2:34AM, RPJesus wrote:

Nov 7, 2011 -- 12:25AM, krichaiushii wrote:

Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.


True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.



Nov 21, 2011 -- 12:09PM, Yanmato1 wrote:

Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.



Nov 22, 2011 -- 6:59PM, rulesinquisitor wrote:

Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me.

Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!



Dec 5, 2011 -- 4:01PM, Gemstone386 wrote:

Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.



Jan 21, 2012 -- 12:45PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.



Dec 14, 2011 -- 2:33PM, signofzeta wrote:

They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die".  Much like Hell.



Jan 22, 2012 -- 3:32AM, Escef wrote:


Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.



Feb 5, 2012 -- 11:35AM, krichaiushii wrote:

Feb 5, 2012 -- 8:48AM, garruk_rellentless wrote:

i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.

I haven't tried the app.   How is its use of English grammar?

Cheers!



Feb 23, 2012 -- 1:16PM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated.

Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).



Feb 24, 2012 -- 2:29AM, RPJesus wrote:

Feb 17, 2012 -- 8:07PM, SereneChaos wrote:

If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.


No, they just spam them with ban requests .

That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played). 



Mar 12, 2012 -- 11:50AM, RPJesus wrote:

Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH.

-First off, there's no commander.
-The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity.
-Starting life total is 20.

And voila, now things are balanced.



Mar 16, 2012 -- 11:06PM, catowner wrote:

Here's a clever play you can try yourself:
-Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament
-Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility
-Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out
-All his rats now have no abilities.  Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card.
-Get him/her banned from competitive magic play



Mar 21, 2012 -- 2:30PM, wickeddarkman wrote:

But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different!

You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french)

Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!



Mar 21, 2012 -- 2:38PM, Terti wrote:

In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You



Apr 18, 2012 -- 3:33PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar.
O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare.
V, is very very, extraordinay.
E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.



May 11, 2012 -- 5:18PM, TinGorilla wrote:

The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates.

Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block.

No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.



Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:39AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:31AM, chinkeeyong wrote:

Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil .



whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways



Jun 15, 2012 -- 4:36PM, RPJesus wrote:

I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.



Jul 6, 2012 -- 5:47PM, RPJesus wrote:


"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.



Jul 16, 2012 -- 3:14PM, catowner wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 1:57PM, zpikduM wrote:

Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too.

Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.


Then we shall play in the shade.



Jul 20, 2012 -- 6:02PM, catowner wrote:

I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help.  This forum is for starting ****storms.



Aug 13, 2012 -- 7:17AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Aug 12, 2012 -- 5:26PM, GM_Champion wrote:

Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.



I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original.

Then the building collapses.



Aug 22, 2012 -- 7:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

I for one love the flavor of legendary lands.

"I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy ."
"Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too."
"WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."



Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:18AM, RPJesus wrote:


And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so...

"Hey Nissa, I need a favor."
"You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab."
"...I'll give you "
"...Well all right then."



Sep 6, 2012 -- 7:35PM, Jessica_Morgan wrote:

GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.



Oct 8, 2012 -- 9:15AM, AzureShade wrote:


Oct 8, 2012 -- 9:10AM, EyeHunter wrote:

Tamiyo vs. Gideon

What would they have to fight about?  Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears!  I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?"  and Tamiyo going "Ew!  Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.



Oct 13, 2012 -- 12:42AM, Uhhsam wrote:

I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side.  Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off.  Win Win.



Nov 5, 2012 -- 10:48AM, Renasce wrote:


MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.



Nov 29, 2012 -- 9:00AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Nov 29, 2012 -- 8:56AM, GeekyDad wrote:

You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll?

At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.



Because lol troll



Dec 20, 2012 -- 9:49AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.



Jan 13, 2013 -- 8:14AM, Catotheyounger wrote:


Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house.  Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness.  "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet?  The set deadline's coming up fast."  "We're almost through.  It should be coming up on the screen any second."  The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen.  Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see.  It's like the ending to 2001:  A Space Odyssey.  Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy.  And then they steal his ideas.  As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere.  The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question:  "Kevin, my greatest student.  He - he's all right, isn't he?  You didn't hurt him?"  Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot.  "Know your place, Richard.  Get back to work."



Feb 5, 2013 -- 9:30AM, Jman22 wrote:



Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...



Mar 5, 2013 -- 9:36AM, Astarael7 wrote:

I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use.

From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of

183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin.

183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.

I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.



Apr 26, 2013 -- 7:53PM, Decktesting54 wrote:

Apr 26, 2013 -- 3:50PM, Ebontail wrote:

Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.



I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....



May 9, 2013 -- 1:23PM, Smoke_Stack wrote:

Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn . He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.





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Week 1 : Xenograft Show

This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft .
Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1

Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck.
Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck.
Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad .


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Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck.
Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.



Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl Show


Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797

Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck.
Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck.
Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.



Week 4 : Followed Footsteps Show


This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1

Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck.
Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.



Week 5 : Delaying Shield Show


This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield

Winner : Tevish_Szat.
Finalist : Vampire_Bat.
Honorable Mention : Zix200.



Week 6 : Painter's Servant Show


This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1

Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck.
Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.



Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner Show


This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner

Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck.
Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.



Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary Show


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Winner : MrQuizzles.
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Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck.
Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.



Week 10 : Jace's Archivist Show


This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist.

Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck.
Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.



Week 11 : Search the City Show


This week's card was Search the City :
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Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps".
Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".


Week 12 : Fiend Hunter Show


This week's card was Fiend Hunter :
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter

Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting".
Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".



Week 13 : Clock of Omens Show


This week's card was Clock of Omens :
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1

Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".



Week 14 : Light of Sanction Show


This week's card was Light of Sanction :
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1

Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".



Week 15 : Assemble the Legion Show


This week's card was Assemble the Legion :
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion

Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".



Week 16 : High Tide Show

This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck :
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide

Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".



Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers Show


This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers

Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"


Week 18 : Savor the Moment Show


This week's card was Savor the Moment :
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment

Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"



Week 19 : Grinning Ignus Show


This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus

Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".



Week 20 : Transcendence Show


This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence

Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.



Week 21 : Mortus Strider Show


This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider

Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".



Week 22 : High Priest of Penance Show


This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance

Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".



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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 3:04PM #74
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Date Joined: Jul 12, 2007
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 2:30PM, Niche wrote:

2. You cannot use Sweepers in an aggro deck unless you're bad at deck design (Indigo, halp). Forced Sacrifice works on a couple of them... if they haven't played another creature to throw at it (or can instant speed one out like fetch->Dryad arbor). Also, Sigarda, the built in anti-sac hexproof, the anti creature blocker due to evasion hexproof, and the hard as all get out to sweep hexproofer. So sure, control decks use sweepers, but Hexproof wrecks a third of the metagame if its healthy. But what it really does is force a third of the metagame to just be the hexproof deck.




So in a red agro deck you should not run Bonfire of the Damned ?  In an artifact agro deck you shouldn't run Whipflare ?  What about if you want to use Blood Artist and/or Falkenrath Noble as some reach in your agro deck along with a wrath?


I am also wondering for everybody so against hexproof, how many answers/wraths do you want in a format before you say its OK?  If hexproof wasn't a thing, how many removal spells would you be using in your deck?

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 3:14PM #75
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Date Joined: Aug 8, 2011
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Jan 16, 2013 -- 8:05PM, Catotheyounger wrote:

The only way you play combat tricks into open mana and cards in hand is if your guy has...
wait for it...
hexproof.

And that entirely eliminates the increase in interactivity. 





My point is that because combat tricks are one of the best ways to get rid of Hexproof creatures, more people will put combat tricks into their decks.


Jan 16, 2013 -- 6:46PM, Niche wrote:

hexproof begins to change the game when there are significant creatures in every block that use it. And it's not a deck. You have to build and think to yourself how so I deal with hexproof in my deck? You devote cards to handling a mechanic and we've got a problem if its not block centric and as such will rotate.





How is that different than card types? By this logic we should get rid of artifacts, enchantements, planeswalkers and even nonbasic lands so you can get rid of anything with murder . I will admit that there's a difference here, because at least all colors can deal with hexproof. Black, white and red all have board wipes; green has ambush viper and blue shouldn't let them get on the board in the first place. Red and black can't deal with enchantments, black can't deal with artifacts and blue and white can't deal with lands. All colors can deal with hexproof though in one way or another.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 3:31PM #76
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Date Joined: Nov 27, 2005
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 2:07PM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:


If your deck doesn't feature answers to Hexproof guys, there's a prolbme with your deck, that's all. Sweepers work wonders in a lot of situations. Forced sacrifice hit any creature.



Nobody's saying there aren't answers, the problem is most decks can't afford to run 12 wraths without losing focus. As for edicts, they're good against voltron decks, but I tried that at the AVR prerelease. Basically we were facing down a shieldmate paired with another guy who were both roughly 5/6. After having our position decimated while staring at somedecorative defang s in my hand, we ended up topdecking the 6 mana edict and made some very inefficient use of our resources to isolate the two creatures so my teammate could edict that player. In response to which he flashed in a Wolfir Avenger . I then proceeded to think some very unladylike things.

Saying that Hexproof is a bad ability because it happens to be put on critters that have other uninteractive abilities doesn't make sense. It's the cards you don't like, not the abilities.



I dunno, while this is mostly true, hexproof still just feels bad to play against. A 1/1 with shroud is like "Okay, that's hard to remove, but it's also prolly not gonna pick up six hammers and be conscribed by the eldrazi in three turns, so whatever." A 1/1 with hexproof is like "Oh hay, hope I topdeck one of the 4 cards in this deck that can deal with that before he dumps a handful of auras onto it.

Which granted, you can run answers to the support cards, just like you could with shroud, but it still feels a lot less fun. Possibly because shroud requires actual effort to support, whether you run it with exalted cards, or sun titan bringing back auras, etc. Hexproof is just like "GOT ANY AURAS? WELL STOP THINKING AND SLAP EM ON, THAT GUY'S NOT GONNA TOPDECK A WRATH FOR TWO MORE TURNS."

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Jul 29, 2012 -- 9:56PM, ChaosLight wrote:


Everything is better when you read it in Bane's voice.


Oct 18, 2012 -- 11:06AM, SteelWall wrote:

Your human antics and desire to continue living have moved me. Just kidding. You cannot move me physically or emotionally. Wall humor.


Oct 26, 2012 -- 8:17AM, Chaikov wrote:

Copy effects work like a photocopy machine: you get a copy of the 'naked' card, NOT of what's on it.



Dec 3, 2012 -- 10:18PM, Splattercat wrote:


Funny story:
InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. 
I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:

Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?"
Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." 
Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb."
Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."

I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.

Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.


My DM on Battleminds:

no, see i can kill defenders, but 8 consecutive crits on a battlemind, eh walk it off.





Jan 15, 2013 -- 5:28PM, Iam_IronMan wrote:


Jan 15, 2013 -- 5:20PM, Jerrymm91 wrote:

Hi guys!  So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic.  I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked.  Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon.  Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in.  Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play.  I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's.  However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks.  I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real.  I want to begin playing it as a regular.  My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck?  Or are there special rules?  Are some cards forbidden or restricted?  Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol. 


I have the same problem with women.




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Jan 7, 2012 -- 6:59PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.



Dec 2, 2012 -- 1:39PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.



Dec 17, 2012 -- 4:27PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.




Feb 8, 2012 -- 4:40AM, ArtVenn wrote:

I think I'm gonna' start praying to Jesus... That's right, RPJesus, I'm gonna' be praying to you, right now.

O' Jesus

Please continue to make my time here on the forums fun and cause me to chuckle.

Amen.


Feb 17, 2011 -- 3:08AM, ArtVenn wrote:

Feb 16, 2011 -- 6:43PM, RPJesus wrote:

It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think  about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic , giving you time to set up your silly combo . Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills


Seriously, that was amazing.  I laughed my *ss off.  Made my day, and I just woke up.


ArtVenn
You're still one of my favorite people... just sayin'.




Jan 11, 2012 -- 7:19AM, Salla wrote:

Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:37AM, Ogiwan wrote:


.....would it be a bit blasphemous if I said, "PRAYSE RPJAYSUS!" like an Evangelical preacher?



Perhaps, but who doesn't like to blaspheme every now and again?

Especially when Mr. RPJesus is completely right.


May 16, 2011 -- 12:18PM, Salla wrote:

I don't say this often, but ...

LOL



May 10, 2010 -- 7:37AM, AivaRuin wrote:



You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster...

Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil.

And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.



Jun 29, 2011 -- 11:05AM, Lineov wrote:

Jun 28, 2011 -- 2:44PM, Litmus wrote:



I'm trying to work out if you're being sarcastic here.  ...



Am going to stop you right there... it's RPJesus... he's always sarcastic


Jan 16, 2012 -- 11:37PM, febbstalicious42 wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 11:35PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 9:58PM, HeartlessNobody wrote:

we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary


So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?


I lol'd.


Oct 26, 2011 -- 11:40PM, zammm wrote:

Oct 26, 2011 -- 7:43PM, TyGuy42 wrote:

Uktabi Orangutan What the heck's going on with those monkeys?

The most common answer is that they are what RPJesus would call "[Debutantes avert your eyes]ing."



Feb 9, 2012 -- 8:41AM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

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Feb 9, 2012 -- 7:45AM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

Feb 9, 2012 -- 5:49AM, ORC_Ragnar wrote:

I’ve removed content from this thread because off-topic discussions are a violation of the Code of Conduct.

You can review the Code here: www.wizards.com/Company/About.aspx?x=wz_...

Please keep your posts polite, on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks. You are welcome to disagree with one another but please do so respectfully and constructively.

If you wish to report a post for Code of Conduct violation, click on the “Report Post” button above the post and this will submit your report to the moderators on duty.

...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?



I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right?

Right.



Mar 9, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Garthanos wrote:

Mar 7, 2012 -- 4:54PM, RPJesus wrote:


Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).



Mar 19, 2012 -- 5:07PM, Kalnaur wrote:

Mar 19, 2012 -- 4:41PM, DoctorBadWolf wrote:


This just won the argument, AFAIC.



That's just awesome.



May 12, 2010 -- 9:36AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

May 11, 2010 -- 5:46PM, Master_Yumyums wrote:

HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?!  WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!



That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players.

And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it.

He/It got me with Light of Sanction , which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).



Dec 16, 2011 -- 10:16AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:


+10



Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:23PM, Eonblueapocalypse1 wrote:

Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:13PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:02PM, tehbeast wrote:

heaven or hell.


Round 1. Lets rock.



GG quotes!

RPJesus just made this thread win!



Jul 25, 2012 -- 12:06AM, WhiteRaven810 wrote:

Jul 23, 2012 -- 6:26PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jul 23, 2012 -- 5:47PM, felisdomesticus wrote:


Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS.  I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about:  creatures.


Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad , things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed .



You are my favorite. Yes you. And moments like this make it so. Thank you RPJesus for just being you.



On what flavor text fits me:

Nov 15, 2012 -- 12:55AM, CadaverousBl00m wrote:

Surely RPJesus gets Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius ?



Sep 15, 2012 -- 4:24PM, Dragon_Nut wrote:


First: I STILL can't take you seriously with that avatar. And I can take RPJesus seriously, so that's saying something.



Sep 17, 2012 -- 1:31PM, Banderbear wrote:


I'd offer you a cookie for making me laugh but it has an Upkeep Cost that has been known to cause people to quit eating.



Jan 2, 2013 -- 7:46AM, royk wrote:



I you loads



Jan 20, 2013 -- 10:27PM, TV_Casualty wrote:

Jan 20, 2013 -- 10:17PM, RPJesus wrote:

"AINT NO LAWS IN THE SKY MOTHER****." - Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran


10/10. Amazing.



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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 3:54PM #77
infinight
Date Joined: Aug 8, 2011
Posts: 938

Jan 17, 2013 -- 3:31PM, RPJesus wrote:

As for edicts, they're good against voltron decks, but I tried that at the AVR prerelease. Basically we were facing down a shieldmate paired with another guy who were both roughly 5/6. After having our position decimated while staring at somedecorative defang s in my hand, we ended up topdecking the 6 mana edict and made some very inefficient use of our resources to isolate the two creatures so my teammate could edict that player. In response to which he flashed in a Wolfir Avenger . I then proceeded to think some very unladylike things.




You mean he interacted with your removal and you didn't like it... 


Which granted, you can run answers to the support cards, just like you could with shroud, but it still feels a lot less fun. Possibly because shroud requires actual effort to support, whether you run it with exalted cards, or sun titan bringing back auras, etc. Hexproof is just like "GOT ANY AURAS? WELL STOP THINKING AND SLAP EM ON, THAT GUY'S NOT GONNA TOPDECK A WRATH FOR TWO MORE TURNS."





Interesting... Sun Titan is a creature and exalted is mostly on creatures. Could it be that you really just don't want to have to run enchantment removal and think it's more fun to only prepare for one type of threat ( Creatures that can be killed with no effort )

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 4:02PM #78
LunaStik
Date Joined: Oct 8, 2010
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The thing is that you run into more creatures than artifacts and enchantments. And not every color can run enchant removal, even in multi-color. Run a combination of U/B/R; welp, hope you draw the wrath at the right time, cuz there's nothing you're going to do against those auras.

(I don't really care, just pointing out the next counterargument to try and save time.) xP 

Jun 24, 2012 -- 9:44AM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:



As long as it's random, I really can't see where's the problem. Anyway, there's already a few standard ways for doing this. We listed them in this thread. If someone does the bogey-bogey, eats the cards, waits until they come out, look out the approximate order, place replacements in the same order, calls the president to ask him to give him a string of numbers, puts the card in the given order, then pick the cards in the order given by taking the date of birth of his opponent, reversed, and taking only every other number, then a judge can clearly declare that he's random enough.


Jan 20, 2013 -- 7:03AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:


The beauty of sarcasm is that when the person using it is totally incorrect, you can just remove the sarcasm and end up with a post that is actually correct.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 4:23PM #79
infinight
Date Joined: Aug 8, 2011
Posts: 938

Jan 17, 2013 -- 4:02PM, LunaStik wrote:

The thing is that you run into more creatures than artifacts and enchantments. And not every color can run enchant removal, even in multi-color. Run a combination of U/B/R; welp, hope you draw the wrath at the right time, cuz there's nothing you're going to do against those auras.

(I don't really care, just pointing out the next counterargument to try and save time.) xP 




Except that black has forced sacrifice effects and blue can counter anything, so the only color really hurt by this is red (which just got tons of overload spells in RTR).

And still, how is that different from noncreature artifacts and nonaura enchantments. Are they overpowered now because people don't like having to run answers to them?

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 4:39PM #80
RPJesus
Date Joined: Nov 27, 2005
Posts: 15,201

Jan 17, 2013 -- 3:54PM, infinight wrote:

Jan 17, 2013 -- 3:31PM, RPJesus wrote:

As for edicts, they're good against voltron decks, but I tried that at the AVR prerelease. Basically we were facing down a shieldmate paired with another guy who were both roughly 5/6. After having our position decimated while staring at somedecorative defang s in my hand, we ended up topdecking the 6 mana edict and made some very inefficient use of our resources to isolate the two creatures so my teammate could edict that player. In response to which he flashed in a Wolfir Avenger . I then proceeded to think some very unladylike things.




You mean he interacted with your removal and you didn't like it... 



Indeed, if we're not alloowed to interact with him, why should he be allowed to interact with us?
Though really in retrospect it's whatever, I just find it amusing that as soon as we get an out, of course they opened, ran, and drew like the only flash creature in the set (Think there was like one other guy, and probably an obligatory Raise The Alarm variant, but I still find it amusing), was mostly just a rebuttal to people who parrot off "hexproof guys are vulnerable to edicts" as though decks with hexproof creatures all do nothing but voltron it up (I mean granted one creature is all you need, but it's always nice to have a chump blocker or edict fodder, especially given that it takes minimal effort.


Which granted, you can run answers to the support cards, just like you could with shroud, but it still feels a lot less fun. Possibly because shroud requires actual effort to support, whether you run it with exalted cards, or sun titan bringing back auras, etc. Hexproof is just like "GOT ANY AURAS? WELL STOP THINKING AND SLAP EM ON, THAT GUY'S NOT GONNA TOPDECK A WRATH FOR TWO MORE TURNS."





Interesting... Sun Titan is a creature and exalted is mostly on creatures. Could it be that you really just don't want to have to run enchantment removal and think it's more fun to only prepare for one type of threat ( Creatures that can be killed with no effort )



Not really, there are enough noncreature cards to make a decent exalted deck and those were just examples. Hexproof on a Gutter Grime would also be pretty annoying, but that wouldn't be terribly different than shroud, so that would be less of an example of the benefits of shroud vs. hexproof and more "Why would you put either on this?"

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Jul 29, 2012 -- 9:56PM, ChaosLight wrote:


Everything is better when you read it in Bane's voice.


Oct 18, 2012 -- 11:06AM, SteelWall wrote:

Your human antics and desire to continue living have moved me. Just kidding. You cannot move me physically or emotionally. Wall humor.


Oct 26, 2012 -- 8:17AM, Chaikov wrote:

Copy effects work like a photocopy machine: you get a copy of the 'naked' card, NOT of what's on it.



Dec 3, 2012 -- 10:18PM, Splattercat wrote:


Funny story:
InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. 
I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:

Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?"
Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." 
Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb."
Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."

I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.

Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.


My DM on Battleminds:

no, see i can kill defenders, but 8 consecutive crits on a battlemind, eh walk it off.





Jan 15, 2013 -- 5:28PM, Iam_IronMan wrote:


Jan 15, 2013 -- 5:20PM, Jerrymm91 wrote:

Hi guys!  So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic.  I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked.  Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon.  Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in.  Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play.  I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's.  However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks.  I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real.  I want to begin playing it as a regular.  My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck?  Or are there special rules?  Are some cards forbidden or restricted?  Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol. 


I have the same problem with women.




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Jan 7, 2012 -- 6:59PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.



Dec 2, 2012 -- 1:39PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.



Dec 17, 2012 -- 4:27PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.




Feb 8, 2012 -- 4:40AM, ArtVenn wrote:

I think I'm gonna' start praying to Jesus... That's right, RPJesus, I'm gonna' be praying to you, right now.

O' Jesus

Please continue to make my time here on the forums fun and cause me to chuckle.

Amen.


Feb 17, 2011 -- 3:08AM, ArtVenn wrote:

Feb 16, 2011 -- 6:43PM, RPJesus wrote:

It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think  about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic , giving you time to set up your silly combo . Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills


Seriously, that was amazing.  I laughed my *ss off.  Made my day, and I just woke up.


ArtVenn
You're still one of my favorite people... just sayin'.




Jan 11, 2012 -- 7:19AM, Salla wrote:

Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:37AM, Ogiwan wrote:


.....would it be a bit blasphemous if I said, "PRAYSE RPJAYSUS!" like an Evangelical preacher?



Perhaps, but who doesn't like to blaspheme every now and again?

Especially when Mr. RPJesus is completely right.


May 16, 2011 -- 12:18PM, Salla wrote:

I don't say this often, but ...

LOL



May 10, 2010 -- 7:37AM, AivaRuin wrote:



You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster...

Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil.

And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.



Jun 29, 2011 -- 11:05AM, Lineov wrote:

Jun 28, 2011 -- 2:44PM, Litmus wrote:



I'm trying to work out if you're being sarcastic here.  ...



Am going to stop you right there... it's RPJesus... he's always sarcastic


Jan 16, 2012 -- 11:37PM, febbstalicious42 wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 11:35PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 9:58PM, HeartlessNobody wrote:

we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary


So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?


I lol'd.


Oct 26, 2011 -- 11:40PM, zammm wrote:

Oct 26, 2011 -- 7:43PM, TyGuy42 wrote:

Uktabi Orangutan What the heck's going on with those monkeys?

The most common answer is that they are what RPJesus would call "[Debutantes avert your eyes]ing."



Feb 9, 2012 -- 8:41AM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Spoiler: Show

Feb 9, 2012 -- 7:45AM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

Feb 9, 2012 -- 5:49AM, ORC_Ragnar wrote:

I’ve removed content from this thread because off-topic discussions are a violation of the Code of Conduct.

You can review the Code here: www.wizards.com/Company/About.aspx?x=wz_...

Please keep your posts polite, on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks. You are welcome to disagree with one another but please do so respectfully and constructively.

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...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?



I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right?

Right.



Mar 9, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Garthanos wrote:

Mar 7, 2012 -- 4:54PM, RPJesus wrote:


Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).



Mar 19, 2012 -- 5:07PM, Kalnaur wrote:

Mar 19, 2012 -- 4:41PM, DoctorBadWolf wrote:


This just won the argument, AFAIC.



That's just awesome.



May 12, 2010 -- 9:36AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

May 11, 2010 -- 5:46PM, Master_Yumyums wrote:

HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?!  WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!



That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players.

And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it.

He/It got me with Light of Sanction , which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).



Dec 16, 2011 -- 10:16AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:


+10



Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:23PM, Eonblueapocalypse1 wrote:

Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:13PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:02PM, tehbeast wrote:

heaven or hell.


Round 1. Lets rock.



GG quotes!

RPJesus just made this thread win!



Jul 25, 2012 -- 12:06AM, WhiteRaven810 wrote:

Jul 23, 2012 -- 6:26PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jul 23, 2012 -- 5:47PM, felisdomesticus wrote:


Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS.  I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about:  creatures.


Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad , things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed .



You are my favorite. Yes you. And moments like this make it so. Thank you RPJesus for just being you.



On what flavor text fits me:

Nov 15, 2012 -- 12:55AM, CadaverousBl00m wrote:

Surely RPJesus gets Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius ?



Sep 15, 2012 -- 4:24PM, Dragon_Nut wrote:


First: I STILL can't take you seriously with that avatar. And I can take RPJesus seriously, so that's saying something.



Sep 17, 2012 -- 1:31PM, Banderbear wrote:


I'd offer you a cookie for making me laugh but it has an Upkeep Cost that has been known to cause people to quit eating.



Jan 2, 2013 -- 7:46AM, royk wrote:



I you loads



Jan 20, 2013 -- 10:27PM, TV_Casualty wrote:

Jan 20, 2013 -- 10:17PM, RPJesus wrote:

"AINT NO LAWS IN THE SKY MOTHER****." - Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran


10/10. Amazing.



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