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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:34PM
#61
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I'm still mostly certain you don't draw the cards however, as the Enchantment is not sacced with the ability, and it appears to be a requirement for the draw.
it is not
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:35PM
#62
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Date Joined:
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I'm still mostly certain you don't draw the cards however, as the Enchantment is not sacced with the ability, and it appears to be a requirement for the draw.
it is not
Well color me astounded.
This is why I can't be a judge. Heh. Good thing I didn't say with any certainty.
A simple look at the rulings for similar effects, such as Anvil of Bogardan  , reveals my ineptitude. So yep.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:46PM
#63
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Date Joined:
Nov 21, 2012
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eh, it forces them to bounce a big creature; which means they gotta use the mana next turn to play it again; that's nice (unless it's has an ETB then lol).
I see a few situations
1. they discard 2 cards, you draw two cards
2. they discard 2 cards, you cloudshift/sacrifice the creature; you lose 2 cards and gain advantage of whatever you casted, they lose 3 card.
3. they use an instant, you stop the instant, 1:1, you still control the creature.
4. they use an instant, you don't respond; 1:1, they need to recast the creature.
5. they wait for later to deal with it, you attack with creature/use whatever activated abilities and profit.
There's really no downside.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:54PM
#64
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Date Joined:
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"Enjoy your screams, Sarpadia - they will soon be muffled beneath snow and ice." THE COALITION WAR GAME-Phyrexian Praetor Round 1: (4-1-2, 1 kill) Round 2: (16-8-2, 4 kills) Round 3: (18-9-2, 1 kill) Round 4: (22-10-0, 2 kills) Round 5: (56-16-3, 9 kills) Round 6: (8-7-1) [current round] Last Edited by Ralph on blank, 1920
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:54PM
#65
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Date Joined:
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For those who are wondering about sacrificing the creature after they discard: you still get to draw. I refer you to Drowned Rusalka  and its ruling that if an effect says "Do A, then B" and you can't do A, you still do B. The ability doesn't target, so it doesn't fizzle when part of it becomes impossible.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:55PM
#66
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Date Joined:
Mar 31, 2002
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eh, it forces them to bounce a big creature; which means they gotta use the mana next turn to play it again; that's nice (unless it's has an ETB then lol).
I see a few situations
1. they discard 2 cards, you draw two cards
2. they discard 2 cards, you cloudshift/sacrifice the creature; you lose 2 cards and gain advantage of whatever you casted, they lose 3 card.
3. they use an instant, you stop the instant, 1:1, you still control the creature.
4. they use an instant, you don't respond; 1:1, they need to recast the creature.
5. they wait for later to deal with it, you attack with creature/use whatever activated abilities and profit.
There's really no downside.
As I had been corrected a bit ago, #2 actually entails you drawing the cards also. So they lose 3 cards, you lose 1 or 2 depending on if you Cloudshifted the creature or sacced it, then you also draw 2 and regain the creature if you Cloudshifted. At worst in this scenario its a difference of 4 cards (Use of this card, however you gain 2 for a net gain of 1 card, and they "lost" 3 cards in the process), and add on any sacrifice effects. At best, well... its interesting to see the possibilities.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:57PM
#67
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Date Joined:
Nov 21, 2012
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eh, it forces them to bounce a big creature; which means they gotta use the mana next turn to play it again; that's nice (unless it's has an ETB then lol).
I see a few situations
1. they discard 2 cards, you draw two cards
2. they discard 2 cards, you cloudshift/sacrifice the creature; you lose 2 cards and gain advantage of whatever you casted, they lose 3 card.
3. they use an instant, you stop the instant, 1:1, you still control the creature.
4. they use an instant, you don't respond; 1:1, they need to recast the creature.
5. they wait for later to deal with it, you attack with creature/use whatever activated abilities and profit.
There's really no downside.
As I had been corrected a bit ago, #2 actually entails you drawing the cards also. So they lose 3 cards, you lose 1 or 2 depending on if you Cloudshifted the creature or sacced it, then you also draw 2 and regain the creature if you Cloudshifted. At worst in this scenario its a difference of 4 cards (Use of this card, however you gain 2 for a net gain of 1 card, and they "lost" 3 cards in the process), and add on any sacrifice effects. At best, well... its interesting to see the possibilities.
I'm in love with this card. =D it's like a 4 mana, more potent dimir charm.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:00PM
#68
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Date Joined:
Nov 21, 2012
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good news, ghostly flicker  does the same thing and is in-colour! (with 3 mana though)
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:03PM
#69
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any cost other than one that leaves it strictly inferior to Control Magic  .
Pardon my french, but DUH. They are not going to make any creature stealing aura that is not inferior to Control Magic , ever.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:48PM
#70
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Date Joined:
Jun 23, 2012
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so its take control of their crearture or they discard 2 cards and I draw too cards.... me gusta... the only part I don't like is that the discard two cards part can be instantly cast.
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