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4 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 6:35PM
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since it just happened in an MTGO game I want clarification I had 2 Timber Protector  and some other treefolk out I attacked with all of my creatures except for 1 Timber Protector (I just cast him) opponent casts Snakeform  on the attacking Protector, blocks it, and kills it I was under the impression that being indestructible is not an ability and does not get removed the ability making something indestructible can be removed, but that was on the non-attacking Protector
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4 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 6:36PM
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120.6. Some effects replace card draws.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 6:37PM
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It's because it's no longer a treefolk or forest (not that it ever was a forest), it's now a snake. So the effect from the other protector no longer applies to it.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 6:40PM
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I'm an idiot...
thanks
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4 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 6:42PM
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you are correct on your assumption on how it would work it you'd artifical evolution  'd the other protector to say snake. 
120.6. Some effects replace card draws.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 6:43AM
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Just to clarify then, if opponent targets my Avacyn, Angel of Hope  with Snakeform or other "lose all abilties" card, Avacyn herself would remain indestructible, but my other stuff will not for however long the spell stated?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 6:54AM
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Just to clarify then, if opponent targets my Avacyn, Angel of Hope with Snakeform or other "lose all abilties" card, Avacyn herself would remain indestructible, but my other stuff will not for however long the spell stated?
Until the end of the turn, all of your stuff is destructible, including avacyn.
While indestructibility isn't an ability, "Avacyn, Angel of hope and other permanents you control are indestructible" is. Since that ability is gone, it can have no effect. And unlike the timber protector question above, there's only one card generating an indestructibility effect.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 7:01AM
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Just to clarify then, if opponent targets my Avacyn, Angel of Hope with Snakeform or other "lose all abilties" card, Avacyn herself would remain indestructible, but my other stuff will not for however long the spell stated?
the ability that makes something indestructible can be removed, however, the property of being indestructible can not be directly affected
Spearbreaker Behemoth  's first ability gives it the indestructible property, but if you remove that ability it will lose the property indirectly, however...
if it used its second ability on itself, it would give itself the indestructible property until end of turn and losing both abilities would not change that
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4 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 7:11AM
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How is the singular version of the ability (CARDNAME is indestructible) different enough than the plural version on Avacyn to warrant this different reaction? It is just stating something that is simply true about a permanent/group of permanents like the normal version.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 7:13AM
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How is the singular version of the ability (CARDNAME is indestructible) different enough then the plural version on Avacyn to warrant yhis different reaction?
I don't see a substantive difference... if you snakeform a Darksteel Sentinel  , it is no longer indestrucitlbe.
The thing is, you need to snakeform the creature that has the ability, not the creature that is indestructible. These may be the same permanent, as in your examples, but they need not be.
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