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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 1:40PM
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Because someone with a twenty dollar bill in his pocket is trying to have a bidding war with Fort Knox.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 1:49PM
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I belive this has been brought up before in Rules T&T
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 1:56PM
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It doesn't look as though any conclusion was reached in that thread about what should be done in this situation... community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 2:12PM
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Consider two players with empty librarys & graveyards. One has Island Sanctuary  in play. The other has an 8 card hand and discards Progenitus  . Sanctuary guy choses not to draw and passes. Is progenitus guy allows to discard progenitus again or would that already be a loop? What if he also has Blightsteel Colossus  and/or a legendary eldrazi in hand - is he allowed to discard those instead or does the ending gamestate with one card in library and hand of 7 cards count as the same game state (even though we know the library has a different card in it like we know the cards in 4-horsemen's deck are in a different order).
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 2:26PM
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All these situations boil down to the same premise one or more players can neither lose nor win the current game. Awarding the win to one player is like awarding the win to the opponent of a player who has gained so much life that he cannot lose the game in a timed round but no longer has any way to win the game (due to some Slaughter Games  like effect) and neither player will deck themselves before the round ends. Sure that player cannot win but nor should he be forced to lose; so the game should result in a draw, yes it sucks for his opponent who is trying to win and can't but sometimes that is just how a game of Magic goes.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 2:30PM
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I would call this game a draw. Why would you tell a caster of a spell from a legal card "stop clowning around"?
By the application of what rule would you declare this game a draw? Certainly not 716.4 or 801.18 as those pertain specifically to loops with only mandatory actions, which is clearly not the case here.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 5:02AM
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In a tournament, continuing a loop like this would likely fall under Slow Play. Nobody is advancing the game state, and instead both would likely be taking an excessive and completely unreasonable amount of time (not to mention holding up the tournament) in the process. If, somehow, I were called to a table with this situation I'd tell the players that the game needs to end, some way or another, or they'll each receive a Warning for Slow Play. *shrug*
Sean Stackhouse
Level Two Judge (Yay!)
Maine
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 7:00AM
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In a tournament, continuing a loop like this would likely fall under Slow Play. Nobody is advancing the game state, and instead both would likely be taking an excessive and completely unreasonable amount of time (not to mention holding up the tournament) in the process. If, somehow, I were called to a table with this situation I'd tell the players that the game needs to end, some way or another, or they'll each receive a Warning for Slow Play. *shrug*
104.4i In a tournament, all players in the game may agree to an intentional draw.
Seems a reasonable way to avoid a penalty for Slow Play
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 7:01AM
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In a tournament, continuing a loop like this would likely fall under Slow Play. Nobody is advancing the game state, and instead both would likely be taking an excessive and completely unreasonable amount of time (not to mention holding up the tournament) in the process. If, somehow, I were called to a table with this situation I'd tell the players that the game needs to end, some way or another, or they'll each receive a Warning for Slow Play. *shrug*
That doesn't really help. Failing to continue the loop will result in a game lose for whoever fails to continue the loop. You pretty much ahve to hand one or both of them a game loss or declare the match a draw to resolve it.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 8:16AM
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That doesn't really help. Failing to continue the loop will result in a game lose for whoever fails to continue the loop. You pretty much ahve to hand one or both of them a game loss or declare the match a draw to resolve it.
So, they get their Warning, then it gets upgraded to a Game Loss. And if that means matching Game Losses, fine. That doesn't necessarily make the match a draw. It could give one player a 2-1 match win, it could make the match 2-2, there are at least a few different possibilities. But this is a case where the CR doesn't really give us a way out that I can see - but the MTR definitely does.
Zauzich: Intentionally drawing the game/match is also reasonable - as long as you don't wait for the Judge to issue the penalty. Basically, when (if) you're told "you both need to move this along" - that's your unofficial warning. The most effective result at that point is probably to draw the game and play the next one if time allows.
But these are merely the speculations of a relatively inexperienced L1. Something I hope to correct in the near future 
Sean Stackhouse
Level Two Judge (Yay!)
Maine
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