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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 1:21AM
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As the title mentions, I get this distinct feeling not all of the guild leaders will survive what comes next, when the third Ravnica block comes out, so, following contexts so far, who does everyone bet bites the bullet? There are four paruns (original signers of the guild pact), still surviving, that we know of. Mat'Selesnya, Obzedat, Rakdos, and Niv-Mizzet. And though, Mat'Selesnya is the worldsoul, she is not the guild leader.
With that said, I don't expect as many unseatings as there were last time.
Azorius: Will Live
Boros: Will Live
Orzhov: Will continue, not dying
Selesnya: Will not survive.
Izzet: Will not survive.
Simic: Will live.
Dimir: I feel this one will always die, sort of like, how in Harry Potter, the defense of the Dark Arts teacher, never survives to host multiple years.
Rakdos: Survive, but goes back into slumber
Golgari: Will not survive, somehow succeeded by Vraska, then sub-succeeded by someone else.
Gruul: The Gruul are fractured anyway. Borborygmos is simply the leader of the largest clan. He hasn't even been seen directly in any of the stories. Will probably live.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 1:28AM
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I think Isperia will die. I think Rakdos will live. I think Trostani will die; I remember their flavor article talking about how corrupt a lot of Selesnyan officials have become. Niv-Mizzet will never die. Too few immortal characters that WotC has access to nowadays. Jarad will probably die. It's too acceptable for their guild for him to survive. I don't know about the new five though. Obzedat is fine, but the other four I haven't decided.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 2:04AM
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A lot of the flavor we have so far about Borborygmos is that he's now getting old and facing frequent challenges for leadership. He's a likely casualty if we do have any. Poor Bobo.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 2:42AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 18, 2012
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A lot of the flavor we have so far about Borborygmos is that he's now getting old and facing frequent challenges for leadership. He's a likely casualty if we do have any. Poor Bobo.
Thought of that as well, i think he will be unseated, the Gruul way.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 3:23AM
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Apr 17, 2012
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Jarad was already killed by Lyzolda in Dissension. Didn't stop him for long though.
The necromacy of Ravnica is quite strong, even Svogthir (parun of the golgari) might still be active, his fate after Kraj's rampage is unknown.
The Obzedat has the same "handicap" concerning death. They might retire from their leader position though.
Lazav will fall I'm quite sure, but might just be replaced by someone behind him who claims to be the true leader all along.
Borborygmos is ready for the reaper but I hope he will make some big last fight.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 4:31AM
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Borborygmos is all but guaranteed to snuff it with the background information we've been getting. He's old, weak, and in line for being turned into so much gory paste.
Niv-Mizzet is tricky. He's incredibly badass and I don't think many people would be happy to see him die. But with him (probably) featuring prominently in the last set, it doesn't bode well for him. Unless he finds a way to ascend to (even more) godlike power.
The Rakdos slumbering trick was good once, but I doubt we'll see it again. If we do, he'll stay slumbering through most of the next block and then emerge as a villain instead of an anarchist.
Lazav's in the same boat as Niv, but he's less titular, less beloved, and more squishy if pushes come to shoves. He's doomed.
The Sphinx, The Angel, The Lich, and The Mermaid are all boring and ultimately replacable. Could go either way.
The Ghost Council... I don't know. It's been implied (I think) that the Izzet (or was it someone else) are meddling with the ghostly realm. It's entirely possible something big could happen and wipe the smug grins off those ghostly faces. I'd think that would be fun.
The Dryad would be in the same boat as the other generic characters, if it weren't for their connection to the Worldsoul. I suspect that her fate will go along with that of the parun itself. I don't know whether good ol' Mat'Selesnya is going to reveal itself in a more tangible form, fade into oblivion, or be boring and go back to its old strength, but I hope it does something to shake up Ravnica either way.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 5:33AM
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Borborygmos is all but guaranteed to snuff it with the background information we've been getting. He's old, weak, and in line for being turned into so much gory paste.
Niv-Mizzet is tricky. He's incredibly badass and I don't think many people would be happy to see him die. But with him (probably) featuring prominently in the last set, it doesn't bode well for him. Unless he finds a way to ascend to (even more) godlike power.
The Rakdos slumbering trick was good once, but I doubt we'll see it again. If we do, he'll stay slumbering through most of the next block and then emerge as a villain instead of an anarchist.
Lazav's in the same boat as Niv, but he's less titular, less beloved, and more squishy if pushes come to shoves. He's doomed.
The Sphinx, The Angel, The Lich, and The Mermaid are all boring and ultimately replacable. Could go either way.
The Ghost Council... I don't know. It's been implied (I think) that the Izzet (or was it someone else) are meddling with the ghostly realm. It's entirely possible something big could happen and wipe the smug grins off those ghostly faces. I'd think that would be fun.
The Dryad would be in the same boat as the other generic characters, if it weren't for their connection to the Worldsoul. I suspect that her fate will go along with that of the parun itself. I don't know whether good ol' Mat'Selesnya is going to reveal itself in a more tangible form, fade into oblivion, or be boring and go back to its old strength, but I hope it does something to shake up Ravnica either way.
I agree with your evaluations. However, to be a bit more specific here is how I'm leaning ordering by strength of how strongly I feel that the guild leader will die.
Guild leaders
Gruul - dead 85%
Dimir - dead 65%
Rakdos - dead 60%
Boros - dead 60%
Golgari - dead 60%
Azorius - dead 50%
Orzhov - dead 50%
Simic - dead 50%
Selesnya - dead 50%
Izzet - dead 45%
I don't think any of them are very "safe" and my guess is that five or more of them will die.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 5:34AM
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Azorius: Live: Why would anybody kill her.
Orzhov: Die: He is already losing his ghostly senses.
Dimir: Die: Same exact reason as coralus stated.
Izzet: Live: He is too intelligent to be killed.
Rakdos: Die: A massive revolt will start to take place the next time he goes to slumber.
Golgari: Die: The underholes are too rotten for anyone to survive for long.
Gruul: Die: He will be succesfully challenged as he gets weaker.
Boros: Die: She is taking so many risks and 1 of them is bound to go wrong.
Selesnya: Live: She is regenerating to fast to die.
Simic: Live: Is always the most powerful of the Simic due to the adaption.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 5:45AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 22, 2007
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Well look at who died last time. The schemers and direct enemies of the schemers.
Anyone who isn't active attacking other guilds or isn't one foot out the door will survive.
The rest are goners.
At least five of the seven the black or white guid leaders will die. Borbo will be challenged.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 5:55AM
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Date Joined:
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