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5 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2013 - 11:07AM #1
Mad3yez
Date Joined: Dec 31, 2009
Posts: 6


I keep noticing nobody seems to post any Kaalia builds. So here's mine.


My Meta plays alot of the overpowered net decks. There are lots of combos and lots of blue. They also all take several turns to win, so the key here is speed and defensive casting like cavern of souls or hiding behind shields like defense grid . Then swing to bring out the fatties. If they kill kaalia, no big cuz I run a bunch of mana ramp. Also we banned infinite combos. Though a finite combo that runs off of a limited resource like how many cards are in your library or land you have played are allowed.

That's the goal anyway

Kaalia of the Vast


Fatties !!!!

balefire dragon
bloodgift demon
steel hellkite
dragon mage
akroma, angel of wrath
iona, shield of emeria
angel of serenity
ryusei, the falling star
avacyn, angel of hope
rakdos, Lord of Riots
rune-scarred demon
angelic arbiter
gisela, blade of goldnight
linvala, keeper of silence
serra ascendant
reya dawnbringer
victory's herald
kokusho, the evening star
angel of despair

Critters

grand abolisher
aven mindcensor
stoneforge mystic
mother of runes

Cool Artifacts

pithing needle
sensei's divining top
sword of feast and famine
defense grid

Card Draw

sign in blood
reforge the soul
wheel of fortune
phyrexian arena
night's whisper

Tutors

Diabolic Tutor
demonic tutor
steelshaper's gift
enlightened tutor
vampiric tutor
diabolic revelation

Mana Ramp!!

Land Tax *Don't really know if this qualifies but I don't know where it fits better. Maybe Tutors.
Mana Crypt
Boros Signet
Orzhov Signet
Rakdos Signet
Talisman of Indulgence
Ancient Tomb
Mana Vault
Sol Ring
Chromatic Lantern

Haste stuff

Swiftfoot Boots
Fervor
Slayer's Stronghold
Hall of the Bandit Lord
Lightning Greaves

Reccursion

Unburial Rites
Necromancy
Animate Dead
Reanimate

Spot Clean

Vindicate
Path to Exile
Chaos Warp
Swords to Plowshares
Dreadbore

Board Wipes

Black Sun's Zenith
Wrath of Gad
Hallowed Burial
Austere Command

Cool Stuff that's too good in my meta to not have !!!

Luminarch Ascension
Duress

Except these. These are testers
Praetor's Grasp
Tainted Strike

Lands!

Cavern of Souls
Sulfurous Springs
Isolated Chapel
Graven Cairns
Dragonskull Summit
Battlefield Forge
Clifftop Retreat
Flagstones of Trokair
Blood Crypt
Scrubland
Bojuka Bog
Arid Mesa
Bloodstained Mire
Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep
Command Tower
Marsh Flats
Plateau
Badlands
Sacred Foundry
3 x Swamp
4 x Plains
3 x Mountain


Future Plans :

Finesse the lands. I need to get another six fetch lands and switch out some of the slower or worse land that I have.

Alternate Builds :

French rules, add Griselbrand and Aggravated assault for infinite craziness.

Metas that allow infinite, add aggravated assault,
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2013 - 1:06PM #2
RxPhantom
Date Joined: Jun 29, 2011
Posts: 1,728
Don't worry, people post Kaalia builds.  It's just that most of them have already been posted.  Anyway, one of the most underrated angels ever printed (for EDH anyway) is Shattered Angel .  It'll gain you buckets of life, and opponents tend to not want to use targeted removal on it.  Hellkite Charger is good for Kaalia too.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2013 - 1:35PM #3
niheloim
Date Joined: Feb 3, 2008
Posts: 6,220
Praetor's grasp is as good as your meta. I like it.
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2013 - 3:56PM #4
lechgame
Date Joined: Aug 18, 2007
Posts: 436
If you can get Kaalia out and protected ( Darksteel Plate , Swiftfoot Boots , etc) then you might want some mass land destruction. I don't like it, but a guy in my group does this and almost always wins after that. His LD of choice is Impending Disaster , and old-fashioned Armageddon . Once you have Kaalia as the only major resource on the table, you can drop big dudes free while your opponents squirm underfoot, basically. It's good stuff for winning when it gets past counters and the like.

I don't support LD as a tactic myself, but once again, it is very, VERY effective with Kaalia defended and in play.
If I'm right, I'm right. If I'm wrong, I still believe I'm right. Think of it as religion. dubito ergo sum.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2013 - 5:22PM #5
Tremor88
Date Joined: Feb 11, 2007
Posts: 1,541
I don't care how cutthroat your playgroup is, If you're playing multiplayer, duress is bad.

I always don't understand why you're running 4 wraths. You're the aggressor! You're the guy slinging demons and dragons into play, not the guy sitting back behind his counter wall hoping someone will overcommit.

With all your tutors, I'd think you want scroll rack to pair with land tax
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 13, 2013 - 8:53AM #6
Disturbed185
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2006
Posts: 347
I think Rakdos the Defiler is a serious must for any Kaalia deck. He can single handely win the game.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 14, 2013 - 8:07AM #7
niheloim
Date Joined: Feb 3, 2008
Posts: 6,220
Erratic portal to reuse you Enter the Battlefield effects?
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 7:48AM #8
MANABURNWASGOOD
Date Joined: Mar 7, 2012
Posts: 164

Jan 11, 2013 -- 11:07AM, Mad3yez wrote:



I keep noticing nobody seems to post any Kaalia builds. So here's mine.
My Meta plays alot of the overpowered net decks. There are lots of combos and lots of blue. They also all take several turns to win, so the key here is speed and defensive casting like cavern of souls or hiding behind shields like defense grid . Then swing to bring out the fatties. If they kill kaalia, no big cuz I run a bunch of mana ramp. Also we banned infinite combos. Though a finite combo that runs off of a limited resource like how many cards are in your library or land you have played are allowed.

That's the goal anyway
Kaalia of the Vast
Fatties !!!!
balefire dragon
bloodgift demon
steel hellkite
dragon mage
akroma, angel of wrath
iona, shield of emeria
angel of serenity
ryusei, the falling star
avacyn, angel of hope
rakdos, Lord of Riots
rune-scarred demon
angelic arbiter
gisela, blade of goldnight
linvala, keeper of silence
serra ascendant
reya dawnbringer
victory's herald
kokusho, the evening star
angel of despair

Critters

grand abolisher
aven mindcensor
stoneforge mystic
mother of runes

Cool Artifacts

pithing needle
sensei's divining top
sword of feast and famine
defense grid

Card Draw

sign in blood
reforge the soul
wheel of fortune
phyrexian arena
night's whisper

Tutors

Diabolic Tutor
demonic tutor
steelshaper's gift
enlightened tutor
vampiric tutor
diabolic revelation

Mana Ramp!!

Land Tax *Don't really know if this qualifies but I don't know where it fits better. Maybe Tutors.
Mana Crypt
Boros Signet
Orzhov Signet
Rakdos Signet
Talisman of Indulgence
Ancient Tomb
Mana Vault
Sol Ring
Chromatic Lantern

Haste stuff

Swiftfoot Boots
Fervor
Slayer's Stronghold
Hall of the Bandit Lord
Lightning Greaves

Reccursion

Unburial Rites
Necromancy
Animate Dead
Reanimate

Spot Clean

Vindicate
Path to Exile
Chaos Warp
Swords to Plowshares
Dreadbore

Board Wipes

Black Sun's Zenith
Wrath of Gad
Hallowed Burial
Austere Command

Cool Stuff that's too good in my meta to not have !!!

Luminarch Ascension
Duress

Except these. These are testers
Praetor's Grasp
Tainted Strike

Lands!

Cavern of Souls
Sulfurous Springs
Isolated Chapel
Graven Cairns
Dragonskull Summit
Battlefield Forge
Clifftop Retreat
Flagstones of Trokair
Blood Crypt
Scrubland
Bojuka Bog
Arid Mesa
Bloodstained Mire
Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep
Command Tower
Marsh Flats
Plateau
Badlands
Sacred Foundry
3 x Swamp
4 x Plains
3 x Mountain


Future Plans :

Finesse the lands. I need to get another six fetch lands and switch out some of the slower or worse land that I have.

Alternate Builds :

French rules, add Griselbrand and Aggravated assault for infinite craziness.

Metas that allow infinite, add aggravated assault,





My Kaalia is similar, but uses some different creatures and is just meant to be a "i really don't feel like thinking too much, and just want to play easy beef" deck, which pisses one of the players in my group off to no end since it's easy. I actually just shelved it to work on it again trying to make her the focus and keep her protected as best I can.

Disturbed is 100% correct rakdos the defiler really needs to be in this maybe along with  blood speaker . Restoration Angel can be a handy little protector too. hall of the bandit lord can work with her as well, which you have. I also really like  aggravated assault as well. utvara hellkite takes advantage of kaalia's ability nicely. I also play a moat in mine, almost every creature has flying in it, and it does come in handy against someone who may have a token deck, or just beefy land based stuff, although, later in games, moat sometimes can be a little redundant as people will usually have something with flying, but more often than not, it's helpful....maybe proxy it.

defense grid  good find! gotta get my hands on one of them.  

definitely keep the  land tax I put one in mine as well as tithe   


figured i'd throw mine up for comparison. I am in the process of reworking it, taking out some artifact/enchantment hate, and some removal spells, as there is quite a bit, and I get dead weight in my hand sometimes. I'll mark which ones are possibly being dumped. One of the creatures I need to add is the Utvara Hellkite .


Lands (35)
Plains  x 6
Mountain x 5
Swamp x 6          
Bloodstained Mire  
Marsh Flats  
Arid Mesa
Scrubland  
Plateau  
Badlands  
Graven Cairns  
Rugged Prairie  
Fetid Heath  
Sacred Foundry
Blood Crypt  
Godless Shrine  
Isolated Chapel  
Dragonskull Summit  
Clifftop Retreat  
Cavern of Souls  
Command Tower  
Ancient Tomb  

White
Enchantments (5)

Aura of Silence
Story Circle
Moat
Ghostly Prison
Land Tax

Sorcery (5)
Revoke Existence Removing
Akroma's Vengeance Removing
Cataclysm
Wrath of God
Divine Reckoning

Instants (6)
Swords to Plowshares
Condemn           
Tithe  
Return to Dust  
Disenchant  
Enlightened Tutor  

Creatures (10)
Baneslayer Angel Removing
Eternal Dragon   --- Love this guy! Suggest you get one, helps get lands, and keeps coming back!
Adarkar Valkyrie  
Karmic Guide   --- it's an angel spirit
Linvala, Keeper of Silence  
Avacyn, Angel of Hope    
Akroma, Angel of Wrath  
Angelic Arbiter  
Restoration Angel  
Iona, Shield of Emeria  

Red
Enchantments (3) 
   
Stranglehold  
Aggravated Assault  
Fervor   
Creature (1) 
Balefire Dragon  

Gold
Creatures (4) 
 
Angel of Despair  
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight  
Rakdos the Defiler
Rakdos, Lord of Riots Removing 
Instant (2) 
Hide // seek   Removing
Unmake  
Sorcery (2)  
Void  Removing
Vindicate  

Artifacts (13, 3 creatures)
Lightning Greaves  
Swiftfoot Boots  
Darksteel Plate  
Champion's Helm  
Steel Hellkite  
Hex Parasite  
PLatinum Angel  
Sensei's Divining Top  
Scroll Rack  
Chromatic Lantern  
Sol Ring  
Darksteel Ingot  
Expedition Map  

Black
Instants (4)

Vampiric Tutor  
Tribute to Hunger  Removing
Geth's Verdict  Removing
Diabolic Edict  Removing
Sorcery
Damnation  
Cruel Tutor  
Demonic Tutor  
Chainer's Edict Removing 
Creatures (5)
Blood Speaker  
Rune-Scarred Demon  
Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon  
Kokusho, the Evening Star  
Pestilence Demon

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 3:08PM #9
RxPhantom
Date Joined: Jun 29, 2011
Posts: 1,728

Jan 15, 2013 -- 7:48AM, MANABURNWASGOOD wrote:

utvara hellkite takes advantage of kaalia's ability nicely.



For the record, you only get the token when you declare the hellkite as an attacker, not when you pop it into play with Kaalia.  So while Utvara Hellkite is a teriffic addition to a Kaalia deck, it won't work the way I think you want it to.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 5:49PM #10
MANABURNWASGOOD
Date Joined: Mar 7, 2012
Posts: 164

Jan 15, 2013 -- 3:08PM, RxPhantom wrote:

Jan 15, 2013 -- 7:48AM, MANABURNWASGOOD wrote:

utvara hellkite takes advantage of kaalia's ability nicely.



For the record, you only get the token when you declare the hellkite as an attacker, not when you pop it into play with Kaalia.  So while Utvara Hellkite is a teriffic addition to a Kaalia deck, it won't work the way I think you want it to.




I've been playing long enough, I really should've noticed that. Man, I hate that I know the rules and these tiny little nuances escape me sometimes.

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